It really isn't a dodge when there is so much evidence to the contrary. Even here, the movie is well rated.
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=209857
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It really isn't a dodge when there is so much evidence to the contrary. Even here, the movie is well rated.
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=209857
Except it was just about 100 fans. Then, what passes for journalism on the Internet these days ran with it as if it were a legitimate poll and basically almost all the convention goers burned a reel of the movie in effigy on stage. It was an incredible non-story blown up real good.
In his blog, Jordan Hoffman, who chaired the panel, reported the results, saying his "stock response" to STID is: "...tremendous casting, dynamite action sequences and is propulsive and fun."
By the way, the blog devotes less space to that panel than to three others where those attending the panel voted on the best supporting character, best crew, and best number two.
While Spock did win "best first officer," note than Captain Janeway won "best captain." The Doctor was chosen "best doctor." To me, those two things are more noteworthy than the movie vote.
Best "number two" was the best sci-fi franchise after "Star Trek". The panel voted the "X-Files" number two, followed by "Dr. Who", "Battlestar Galactica"(reboot), and then "Star Wars".
Garak was voted best supporting character, with Q second. All but one of the rest were from TNG or DS9. Non were from TOS.
I don't think anyone would want to run with any of those results as an accurate poll of the opinions of "Star Trek" fandom in any of those areas.
http://www.startrek.com/article/getting-my-mind-around-one-trek-mind-live-2013
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And how many fans were present at that convention? A couple thousand? Several thousand? There were probably more fans prowling the dealer's room at the time that silly "poll" was conducted.
Look, at any decent-sized convention, you can probably get a hundred people to vote for giving Wesley his own TV series. Doesn't mean anything. And how many people stand in line for hours at Comic-Con to see the cast of the new movies? More than one hundred, I bet.
True story: I once signed a petition to bring back the (incredibly forgettable) STARMAN tv series because I ran into some friendly, enthusiastic STARMAN fans at a convention and couldn't think of a polite way to say no. Took me a couple years to get off that damn mailing list . . .
Well, it was the way it was written in the blog, so -- .I'll edit this in here rather than add another post, but looking back on the blog, I'm really surprised no one ran with the panel's captains vote. Imagine stories all over the Internet reporting that a convention of "Star Trek" fans voted Janeway the best "Star Trek" captain over Kirk or Picard.
What, no RottenTomatoes graphic?
I think Therin of Andor's point of self-selection among a "panel about why JJ Abrams' movies were terrible" is self-explanatory. In all the reports, I never saw that little tidbit pointed out. The media is usually so honest about these things...
Do I need to tell my New York Post story again?
Obviously yes.
Believe it or not, but the budget for The Muppet Show was very high at the time, as it was a variety format and they had to keep manufacturing a ton of new sets and puppets.
If you tried to do it today as it was then (the revival is not a variety format) I wouldn't be surprised if it were to be on par with a science-fiction show.
Okay, short version:
Not long after that silly "poll" hit the news, I was contacted by a reporter from The New York Post who was doing a story on how all us old-school Trekkies supposedly hated the new movies. I spent at least a half an hour on the phone to this guy explaining that this was hardly the case, but he didn't want to hear it. He pretty much admitted that the slant of his article had already been decided in advance and that he was just looking for more quotes to "prove" that all of fandom hated the new movies.
When I refused to pay ball and give him the sound byte he wanted, he asked me to suggest another professional TREK writer who might have a different opinion on the subject. Again, I declined to cooperate.
Sure enough, when the article finally ran a few days later, the gist of it was that (surprise!) "Trekkies Hate New Trek Movie!" And the only quote from me was the part where I grudgingly admitted that, okay, some fans were unhappy with the reboot.
Moral: take any media reports with a big grain of salt.
Not long after that silly "poll" hit the news, I was contacted by a reporter from The New York Post who was doing a story on how all us old-school Trekkies supposedly hated the new movies. I spent at least a half an hour on the phone to this guy explaining that this was hardly the case, but he didn't want to hear it. He pretty much admitted that the slant of his article had already been decided in advance and that he was just looking for more quotes to "prove" that all of fandom hated the new movies.
When I refused to pay ball and give him the sound byte he wanted, he asked me to suggest another professional TREK writer who might have a different opinion on the subject. Again, I declined to cooperate.
Sure enough, when the article finally ran a few days later, the gist of it was that (surprise!) "Trekkies Hate New Trek Movie!" And the only quote from me was the part where I grudgingly admitted that, okay, some fans were unhappy with the reboot.
Moral: take any media reports with a big grain of salt.
^ In particular the New York Post.
I take them with the spice mines of Kessel
I mean, yes, any source is questionable these days. Because its all about sensationalism and clickthroughs and all of that. So who and what do we trust? I don't trust a lot of bloggers because frankly, so much if it is clickbait.
Do we take the old X-Files adage: Trust no one?
Do we take the old X-Files adage: Trust no one?
I want to believe.
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