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If Star Trek and Star Wars fight, which side will win?

In the Star Wars universe they've had space travel for thousands of years. In Star Trek it's been hundreds for the humans. I would say that the Empire has far more advanced technology.
Of course, the Empire doesn't have transporter technology, and we've seen in Voyager that a few hundred years in the Federation's future they have timeships, so I would say that if the "modern" Empire would battle the "future" Federation, the Empire wouldn't stand a chance.
 
Well the original poster did say:
I was just wondering, If Star Trek and Star Wars were to fight, all with every single super weapon, every super human and every star ship from all eras, even the ones who are dead/distroyed all gathered in one single spot and fight a battle Which side would win?

So with this criteria the Star Trek universe wins easily
 
Don't they use lasers in Star Wars? Lasers can't penetrate Federation shields. And don't give me the turbolaser crap...they're still lasers.

And I said I wouldn't get involved. :o
 
I'd say the Star Trek universe (as a whole, not just the Federation) would beat the Star Wars Empire.
The aforementioned Krenim timeship vs Deathstar would be a more accurate comparison.
Certainly the Borg would decimate the Empire. Also, the Jedi mind trick only works on the weak-minded, and I doubt a collective mind that is partially robotic would be very easy control by even the strongest of Jedi (or Sith)
Although seeing how the Star Wars universe turn out with Emperor Palpatine erased from history would be interesting.

Or pin two ships of similar size or capabilities against each other.
Such as Doomsday Machine vs Deathstar?
The Defiant Class and the Corellian Blockade Runner are similar in size, but put Tantive IV against the Defiant and the Defiant will definitely win.

Another idea would be allowing not only combat interaction, but also trade and diplomacy amongst various factions, and seeing what happens there.
 
I thought the Force only worked through the midichlorians or whatever... Who says the lifeforms in the Federation worlds have them?
 
Certainly the Borg would decimate the Empire.

If Batmobile Voyager can beat the Borg, then I doubt the Empire would have much trouble.

Since nobody appears to have clicked my links, then I may as well repost some of the information. Yeah, there's an anti-Star Trek bias on the part of the guy writing it, but if a guy's right, then he's right, irregardless of what his attitude is. From one of the above links (Images don't appear, so you'll have to click the links for the graphs)...

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The Lazy Man's Method

Simply grab figures from the official publications. Of all the voluminous Star Wars and Star Trek publications out there, only one for each series gives meaningful specifications in real-world units: Star Wars Episode II Incredible Cross-Sections (SW2ICS) and the Star Trek Next Generation Technical Manual (TNG TM).

http://home.comcast.net/~renef78/Vs01.jpg

As you can see, the officially published figures are massively in favour of the Empire, even if you disregard the fact that an Acclamator is not a particularly powerful warship by Imperial standards (an Imperial Star Destroyer is roughly 10 times larger (by volume) than an Acclamator and presumably 10 times more powerful, even if we disregard the fact that an Acclamator is just a transport). In fact, the only way to generate a remotely close match between an Imperial ship and a Federation ship is to use a small patrol craft such as Jango Fett's Slave-1:

http://home.comcast.net/~renef78/Vs02.jpg

Even this seemingly Trek-biased matchup seems to heavily favour the Empire, with Jango Fett's small patrol craft able to hit the Enterprise-D with much heavier firepower than it can dish out in return. Small wonder, then, that despite the simplicity and convenience of the lazy man's method, most Trekkies prefer to avoid it.

Just What You See, Pal

Some people prefer to pretend the books don't exist on either side, and talk about only the movies (or movies and TV shows, in the case of Trek). This approach has strengths and weaknesses; the visual look of each series is often more consistent than published material (particularly in the case of Star Trek, where the TM contradicts itself repeatedly and has several astonishingly bad science errors. Moreover, the ST books' status has been officially stated as mere "speculation" (see John Ordover), although SW books are supposedly "quasi-canon" (see the Star Wars Encyclopedia foreword). In any case, a lot of people prefer to stick to the shows and movies regardless of what the "official" stance is.

Having said that, the comparison is little better. In Star Trek, most of the figures from the show are reasonably compatible with those from the TM's (not surprising, since the people who worked on the TM also worked on the show), and in Star Wars, most of the figures from the SW2ICS are based on observations of the original trilogy (from Dr. Curtis Saxton). There are limits to how inaccurate one can reasonable expect the TM and SW2ICS to be, and sure enough, analysis of direct observations from the shows and movies tends to generate similar results, albeit with more ambiguities.

Note that it is difficult to gauge the effect of weapons in any meaningful sense unless they are applied to inert objects (if a shell hits an aircraft wing-tank and causes the plane to burst into flames, you cannot attribute all the energy of the resulting conflagration to the shell). This means we need to look for weapons striking inert objects such as rocks, planets, asteroids, etc. I'm afraid this is a rather complicated subject, and you should really look at the rest of the site if you want to know more. However, the following table should help clarify matters:

http://home.comcast.net/~renef78/Vs03.jpg

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Getting down to brass tacks, if the Enterpise D can't even match up with the Slave-1, then what hope would it have against a Star Destroyer?

Yeah, the original poster said "throw everything in", but that's the only way Star Trek wins. If the Q show up and use their omnipotent powers to wipe out the Empire. Otherwise the Federation, Klingons, etc are toast. Not only can the Empire run rings around them with their hyperdrive, but their weapons are insanely powerful in comparison. Slave-1 can tear through the Enterprise, so one can only imagine what a Star Destroyer would do to a fleet of Federation ships, or a Borg cube. And that's one Star Destroyer. Throw a fleet of Star Destroyers into the Star Trek universe, and most everything in the Milky Way would be reduced to ashes.
 
Event-Horizon said:
I thought the Force only worked through the midichlorians or whatever... Who says the lifeforms in the Federation worlds have them?

If that were true then Luke and Yoda wouldn't be able to move Luke's X-Wing Fighter with the Force, Luke wouldn't be able to telekinetically pull his lightsaber towards himself, Darth Vader wouldn't have been able to yank Han's blaster out of his hands with the Force, etc. You just need it to access the Force. It isn't necessary for the target to also have Midichlorians (God, how I hate that word! One dumb thing out of many dumb things from Episode I), which only exist in living beings, and not in machines.
 
Event-Horizon said:
I thought the Force only worked through the midichlorians or whatever... Who says the lifeforms in the Federation worlds have them?

No, all that was said is that Force-sensitive individuals have a higher percentage of midichlorians in their systems than someone who is not Force-sensitive. Yoda for example has a very high count, although it's not clear if that's a trait specific to him or to his species. It's no different from how telepaths in B5 have their powers because of a certain gene which is recessive in non-telepaths.

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Star Wars would win one Star Destroyer could take down the entire Star Trek galaxy.
 
^ How so, considering Star Destroyers were taken out by the generally inferior Rebels in their home galaxy? I'm not disagreeing necessarily, but I generally don't get involved in crossover debates like this. It's as tempting for me as it is for everyone else, but there's just no way for us to really determine how different universes would interact.

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Leroy said:
Star Wars would win one Star Destroyer could take down the entire Star Trek galaxy.
The Rebel Alliance could take a few down in one battle so the Federation surely can as well. A lot more easily than the Rebels sure could.
 
Well, it seems to me that SW tends to use the "Quantity over Quality" standard while ST does the opposite. While a Star Destroyer has a gazillion laser turrets, the Enterprise E has several bad ass phaser arrays and one quantum torpedo launcher and a whole bunch of photon torpedo launchers. Now, the Enterprise E was able to hold out for quite some time against the Scimitar by its self, given the circumstances. Just imagine what the Scimitar could do to the lowly Star Destroyer. That bitch can fire through its cloak!
 
The_Emperor said:
Certainly the Borg would decimate the Empire.

If Batmobile Voyager can beat the Borg, then I doubt the Empire would have much trouble.

Batmobile Voyager got one-shot kills against cubes, and even then, the Borg eventually adapted to their new torpedos (which will be very, very bad for us when next we meet).

What happens when a Borg cube assimilates a Super Star Destroyer? What happens after the Death Star picks off a dozen cubes with it's superlaser, only to find that number 13 can reflect the blast as if nothing had happened?
 
David cgc said:

Batmobile Voyager got one-shot kills against cubes, and even then, the Borg eventually adapted to their new torpedos (which will be very, very bad for us when next we meet).

What happens when a Borg cube assimilates a Super Star Destroyer? What happens after the Death Star picks off a dozen cubes with it's superlaser, only to find that number 13 can reflect the blast as if nothing had happened?

Plus Star Wars weapons doesn't seem to be as adaptable as Star Trek weapons. Especially if they are dealing with an enemy such as the Borg.

How about this: The Borg assimilate the Deathstar? :evil: :borg:
 
Brent said:
I wonder if Borg assimilated Jedi if they'd retain their powers
I would assume they would. The Borg assimilate the abilities of people they assimilate otherwise why assimilate them?
 
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