If Kirk Had Killed Spock in Amok Time

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  1. Timo

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    I gather it would all be academic. T'Pau would sweep it all under the carpet somehow (and I imagine the rooms of her estate have triple-high ceilings in order to accommodate the carpets nowadays!), and Kirk would have to live with the guilt lest T'Pau unleash some horrid blackmail scheme where others would suffer. Kirk's career might go to the gutter, but out of self-deprecation rather than formal charges.

    Although it would be doubly academic, because Spock would spring back to life anyway thanks to the little known Vulcan Second Aorta.

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  2. Herbert

    Herbert Commodore Commodore

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    That's true. Trying to retcon the interpretations of the prime directive from later shows into TOS is folly and pointless.
     
  3. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Commodore Commodore

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    I can just see Areel Shaw saying "So while on Vulcan after disobeying direct orders from Admiral Komack you participated in a fight to the death with Commander Spock after being given the opportunity to back out of it and after Commander Spock appealed to T'Pau herself to not allow it, but you Captain Kirk, you accepted the challenge and now Commander Spock is dead. What do you have to say for yourself?"

    Not that I believe that Kirk was guilty of anything. He did his best to try to save Spock but he probably looks pretty guilty under the law.
     
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  4. Timewalker

    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

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    Given that Starfleet officers seem to get married in their normal uniforms and Spock didn't dress up, Kirk and McCoy likely thought it would be a simple legal procedure, similar to how people in our time might get married in a court house.
     
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  5. DonIago

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    Surprise!!!
     
  6. Kor

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    Journey to Babel would have turned out much differently.

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  7. johnnybear

    johnnybear Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Lieutenant Xon anyone? :vulcan:
    Lawrence Montaigne was in the running to play Spock in season two or perhaps just another Vulcan officer if Leonard Nimoy hadn't resolved his issues with the producers! :shifty:
    Imagine a reality like that? Who would have played Stonn? Montaigne as a Spock with Nomad and then a beard in another universe? Montaigne and Mark Lenard as Father and son but would Sarek have reduced him two steps in rank again? The mind boggles!!! :ack:
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    I think that at this point, Spock was probably too far gone mentally to say much or to think through everything logically, but he did try to warn them.
     
  9. Foxhot

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    Don'y you mean ''I?'':cool:
     
  10. Spock's Barber

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    In the Mirror Universe, Spock would have been promoted to El Capitan. :cool:

    “If you die we all move up in rank.”
     
  11. Mrs. Silvercrest

    Mrs. Silvercrest Captain Captain

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    If Kirk had killed Spock. Maybe Doctor McCoy would have gotten another Vulcan to remove the memory so Kirk didn't know he killed Spock and they just got another Vulcan and just pretend that one had always been there!
     
  12. Timewalker

    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

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    Vulcans are not interchangeable (at least in TOS; they all seem to look and act alike in later series). :vulcan:
     
  13. Silvercrest

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    Then he would've needed another. Should we page Commander Thelin?
     
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  14. trekshark

    trekshark Commander Red Shirt

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    Unlikely to have any kind of civil charges or arrest by civilian authority, he was acting within Vulcan law and custom.
    I could see starfleet charges or major consequences though. Within local law or not you can't really have your captains killing their XOs
     
  15. diankra

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    Not a rumour, Inside Star Trek prints a memo listing possible replacements. But Justman says that was basically a way of calling Nimoy's bluff.
     
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  16. Maurice

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    Yeah. It was a negotiating tactic.
     
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  17. Mrs. Silvercrest

    Mrs. Silvercrest Captain Captain

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    Good to know!
     
  18. johnnybear

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    The producers of the later series had no real ideas on how to show Vulcans, Romulans and Klingons really! Klingons all had the same type of character, all honour bound and willing to die at the drop of a hat! It's a miracle that there were any of them left in the galaxy!!! Vulcans were sparse and all logicians while the Romulans all had V shaped heads and no variation in hair colour (unlike the TOS versions) and 'mostly' all sneaky and totally ruthless! TOS showed us that they were all different, just like humans. We had cowardly Klingons and Romulans with honour and Vulcans with less than logical reasoning! ;)
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  19. DonIago

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    I wouldn't describe Duras or Gowron as honor-bound, and I wouldn't describe the Vulcans, or at least the captain (Solok?) in the DS9 baseball episode as "sparse and all logician". I didn't even really think Tuvok was like that.
     
  20. Bry_Sinclair

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    Kirk is court martialed and kicked out of Starfleet. Pike's former Executive Officer, who everyone onboard only address as "Captain", is appointed as the new Commanding Officer of the Enterprise and Commander Thelin is assigned as the new Executive/Science Officer.