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Ideas what happened at end of friendship One

WesleysDisciple

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Thoughts of what happened after their atmosphere was rebuilt.

Think they'd be that quick to rebuild their citys

is it likely the old general was put on trial for war crimes.
 
No. Their civilization would be in shambles for a long time.
 
Well, Janeway simply gave them even more tech (industrial replicators and anti-radiation technology). Within 2 weeks, everyone on the planet will be convinced how Wrong they've Been, by blaming the humans for their malfortune. Within three months, the worst problems will be solved. Within 5 years, they'll be a happy Federation member.

Realistically though, I agree with Finn. It would take a long time for them to rebuild their civilization, even with their atmosphere cleared up. Multiple generations, I'd say. Just like I wouldn't expect the Teplan people to be able to rebuild their world within the next generation, even after Bashir gave them a vaccine against the Teplan Blight.
 
Well, Janeway simply gave them even more tech (industrial replicators and anti-radiation technology). Within 2 weeks, everyone on the planet will be convinced how Wrong they've Been, by blaming the humans for their malfortune. Within three months, the worst problems will be solved. Within 5 years, they'll be a happy Federation member.

Realistically though, I agree with Finn. It would take a long time for them to rebuild their civilization, even with their atmosphere cleared up. Multiple generations, I'd say. Just like I wouldn't expect the Teplan people to be able to rebuild their world within the next generation, even after Bashir gave them a vaccine against the Teplan Blight.


Actually, the main rebuilding aspect would be increasing their population size - everything else is pretty much already there (the technology, cities, etc.).
There was only about 5500 aliens left.

They seemed to have been technologically developed species to implement automation (whatever they had) and use it to aid in rebuilding. They also appeared to have been on possibly late 20th century level before getting anti-matter technology from Earth (Which provided a significant boost).
They didn't bomb themselves into the dark ages, retained technology and most (if not all) of their knowledge and even had anti-matter weapons by the time Voyager showed up (so, they learned quite a few tricks - which shows they are similarly adaptive species).

With a major problem gone (their poisonous atmosphere), they pretty much have it easy from that point on on the road to recovery if the society is cohesive enough for that (it seemed to have been), and I suspect that Janeway may have also provided them with some better anti-matter radiation containment technology as well to protect from potential future leakages (unless they developed this themselves at some point before Voyager arrived).
With no more failed child births due to radiation sickness, etc., I suspect their population would start increasing quite rapidly.

But we also don't know how fast it takes them to carry kids to term, mature, maybe have limits on how many kids they have, couplings, etc.

If they eschew monogamy for a time (assuming they had and implemented this concept to begin with) while already being a technologically developed species, population growth could easily explode.

They have a much larger genetic baseline than the human colonists from 'Up the long ladder', so if we assume similar intervention to increase population (possibly even using artificial means to speed things up even more), how much could their population increase in say 35 years?

If they are anything like Humans, and assuming 2% population growth, you're looking at a doubling of their population in 35 years.
Higher population growth = more births over same period of time (which would depend on how many kids each couple decided to have.

If we assume 3% population growth (same as sub-Saharan Africa) per 100 years, you end up with 105 702 people.
In 200 years (assuming same population growth is maintained), their population would increase to over 2 million (only looking at natural births - no technological intervention).

Its possible UFP and Starfleet had trained to educate alien cultures or survivors on how to bring themselves back up to viable numbers (population-wise) in the shortest time frame possible.

From Wikipedia:
At the turn of the 20th Century, the Hutterite community of North America – which is, incidentally, highly inbred – achieved the highest levels of population growth ever recorded, doubling every 17 years. It’s a tough ask, but if each woman had eight children, we’d be back to seven billion people and our current population crisis in just 556 years.

The aliens in our Trek scenario have a much larger population startup (5500) with viable genetic baselines and therefore far lower chances of birth defects and overall problems down the line.

If each woman had about 4 children instead (half as much as the BBC posits for the Hutterites), then in 102 years, the population would increase to 176 000.
It would take them 153 years of that reproductive growth to reach 1.4 million (with no technological intervention).
 
Actually, the main rebuilding aspect would be increasing their population size - everything else is pretty much already there (the technology, cities, etc.).
There was only about 5500 aliens left.

They seemed to have been technologically developed species to implement automation (whatever they had) and use it to aid in rebuilding. They also appeared to have been on possibly late 20th century level before getting anti-matter technology from Earth (Which provided a significant boost).
They didn't bomb themselves into the dark ages, retained technology and most (if not all) of their knowledge and even had anti-matter weapons by the time Voyager showed up (so, they learned quite a few tricks - which shows they are similarly adaptive species).

With a major problem gone (their poisonous atmosphere), they pretty much have it easy from that point on on the road to recovery if the society is cohesive enough for that (it seemed to have been), and I suspect that Janeway may have also provided them with some better anti-matter radiation containment technology as well to protect from potential future leakages (unless they developed this themselves at some point before Voyager arrived).
With no more failed child births due to radiation sickness, etc., I suspect their population would start increasing quite rapidly.

But we also don't know how fast it takes them to carry kids to term, mature, maybe have limits on how many kids they have, couplings, etc.

If they eschew monogamy for a time (assuming they had and implemented this concept to begin with) while already being a technologically developed species, population growth could easily explode.

They have a much larger genetic baseline than the human colonists from 'Up the long ladder', so if we assume similar intervention to increase population (possibly even using artificial means to speed things up even more), how much could their population increase in say 35 years?

If they are anything like Humans, and assuming 2% population growth, you're looking at a doubling of their population in 35 years.
Higher population growth = more births over same period of time (which would depend on how many kids each couple decided to have.

If we assume 3% population growth (same as sub-Saharan Africa) per 100 years, you end up with 105 702 people.
In 200 years (assuming same population growth is maintained), their population would increase to over 2 million (only looking at natural births - no technological intervention).

Its possible UFP and Starfleet had trained to educate alien cultures or survivors on how to bring themselves back up to viable numbers (population-wise) in the shortest time frame possible.

From Wikipedia:
At the turn of the 20th Century, the Hutterite community of North America – which is, incidentally, highly inbred – achieved the highest levels of population growth ever recorded, doubling every 17 years. It’s a tough ask, but if each woman had eight children, we’d be back to seven billion people and our current population crisis in just 556 years.

The aliens in our Trek scenario have a much larger population startup (5500) with viable genetic baselines and therefore far lower chances of birth defects and overall problems down the line.

If each woman had about 4 children instead (half as much as the BBC posits for the Hutterites), then in 102 years, the population would increase to 176 000.
It would take them 153 years of that reproductive growth to reach 1.4 million (with no technological intervention).



So it would probaly take millenia to recover their population.


Think the young scientist took a position as leader of the government was asked "Are you in command now?!?" "If I Have to be"
 
So it would probaly take millenia to recover their population.


Think the young scientist took a position as leader of the government was asked "Are you in command now?!?" "If I Have to be"

A viable recovery population could be anything between 150 000 to over a million perhaps.
We're not necessarily talking billions... and they probably won't be sitting on their rear ends pumping babies all the time.

Depends on how fast they decide to repopulate. If they use my formula for 4 children per female - then it would take them 153 years to reach 1.4 million people... half as much time if they go with 8 children per female.

That's not bad and leaves UFP enough time to get back at some point and check up on them... and the aliens could even advance further with their own space programs.
 
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I choose to believe they blow themselves up with the Replicators.

Because these people already proved to be unable to handle antimatter.
 
I choose to believe they blow themselves up with the Replicators.

Janeway never gave them replicator technology (to be fair, its unnecessary because basic automation can do the job just as nicely) and I doubt she would want to risk further cultural contamination and mishandling of technology.

Btw... the Kazon ship that got Voyager's replicator from Seska ended up with an explosion and severe radiation issue which fused the crew to the bulkheads (most likely a product of transporter phasing integrated into those replicators which convert energy into matter, or matter into matter - depending on the mode that it was on) because the Kazon didn't use thick enough shielding - huh, same baseline with the aliens who got antimatter tech.

I guess replicators were similarly out of reach for the Kazon as antimatter was for the aliens.
Lack of use of thick enough shielding.
In Kazon's case, it didn't seem like a problem they couldn't overcome, more to the point an issue with taking shortcuts.

Because these people already proved to be unable to handle antimatter.

Yes, but this could have happened because they were taking shortcuts, etc. (much like the Kazon).

Still, reading and understanding English wasn't one of their issues... and they had a translation database available... so it may have been a rush job in an effort to get antimatter out into general use asap.

Maybe they should have paced themselves by constructing Fusion reactors first, and then going onto antimatter once they had everything else in place - essentially, following Humanity's technological progressional curve but at an accelerated pace (and instead of taking say 100-150 years to get there, they could have taken maybe 25-50 years).
 
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