I Was Strangled and Beaten by a Stranger. I'm Injured. I'm Angry.
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You're not wrong to be angry at him and yes he is a fucking moron and a selfish immoral prick who deserves what will inevitably rain down upon him.
I've been in that same situation myself, just once. Hell, I grew up with a mother who was constantly in that same situation, so I'm speaking from personal experience here.
I have no respect for people like that.
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let them the danger still exists with this person..
To contact your neighborhood prosecutor and learn about crime prevention in your neighborhood call the Neighborhood Prosecutor Program Hotline at 1-877-LA CARES or e-mail neighborhood@atty.lacity.org
let them the danger still exists with this person..
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If you're ever near Ohio, stop by and we can both head out there and take these guys down. I don't get angry easily, but something like this? I act like a moving mountain of pain.
J.
Exactly. If your spouse/partner/SO abuses you once, shame on them. You let them do it again, shame on YOU. When you let them do it yet again and a bystander is injured by it, you are as culpable for their pain as the perp.
The victim's submissiveness and masochism put my life in danger, and continues to put in danger everyone in my community. That is unconciable (sorry I can't spell and spell check is coming up blank) and I cannot, nor will I attempt to, understand that kind of thinking.
This especially rubs me because a few weeks ago I found out that one of my childhood friends was physically and sexually abused by her step-father from age 4 to age 15. Our circle of friends knew that "Ed" was a scary, creepy guy who was mean to "Amy" and that there was something wrong between them, but no adults would listen to us. They told us that Ed was just eccentric and strict, and he had the right to be because Amy was bratty and out of control, that it was none of our business and not our place to critique his parenting style, because we were children who didn't know any better. Amy never told any one about the abuse until she ran away from home and told her grandparents. Her mother denies she knew anything about it, but from the nature of the abuse and Amy's dysfunctional behavior in reaction to it, there's no way she wouldn't have known what was going on. No way at all. It's sickening. She chose her second husband over her daughter, and now her daughter is drug addicted and barely functional.
I can't look the woman in the eye now and I think I'm even angrier at her for allowing Amy's abuse than I am at her stepfather (who is going to the special hell, if you ask Shepard Book). I'm angry at the other adults in my childhood who looked the other way. The statute of limitations has long expired to prosecute for any of it.
Maybe that story is in my subconcious and it's what made me go out there to help that guy. It's been on my mind a lot since I heard it, and there seems to be some parallels to how I feel about that revelation and what I did on friday.
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There are some actions that simply don't deserve second chances.
And no good deed goes unpunished...
Your willingness to respond to the cries of help of another speaks volumes as to your character. The deafening silence to your cries speaks to the sorry state to which our communities have sunk.
http://ag.ca.gov/victimservices/index.php
In order to preserve and protect a victim’s rights to justice and due process, a victim shall be entitled to the following rights:
1. To be treated with fairness and respect for his or her privacy and dignity, and to be free from intimidation, harassment, and abuse, throughout the criminal or juvenile justice process.
2. To be reasonably protected from the defendant and persons acting on behalf of the defendant.
3. To have the safety of the victim and the victim’s family considered in fixing the amount of bail and release conditions for the defendant.
4. To prevent the disclosure of confidential information or records to the defendant, the defendant’s attorney, or any other person acting on behalf of the defendant, which could be used to locate or harass the victim or the victim’s family or which disclose confidential communications made in the course of medical or counseling treatment, or which are otherwise privileged or confidential by law.
5. To refuse an interview, deposition, or discovery request by the defendant, the defendant’s attorney, or any other person acting on behalf of the defendant, and to set reasonable conditions on the conduct of any such interview to which the victim consents.
6. To reasonable notice of and to reasonably confer with the prosecuting agency, upon request, regarding, the arrest of the defendant if known by the prosecutor, the charges filed, the determination whether to extradite the defendant, and, upon request, to be notified of and informed before any pretrial disposition of the case. 7. To reasonable notice of all public proceedings, including delinquency proceedings, upon request, at which the defendant and the prosecutor are entitled to be present and of all parole or other post-conviction release proceedings, and to be present at all such proceedings.
8. To be heard, upon request, at any proceeding, including any delinquency proceeding, involving a post-arrest release decision, plea, sentencing, post-conviction release decision, or any proceeding in which a right of the victim is at issue.
9. To a speedy trial and a prompt and final conclusion of the case and any related post-judgment proceedings. 10. To provide information to a probation department official conducting a pre-sentence investigation concerning the impact of the offense on the victim and the victim’s family and any sentencing recommendations before the sentencing of the defendant.
11. To receive, upon request, the pre-sentence report when available to the defendant, except for those portions made confidential by law.
12. To be informed, upon request, of the conviction, sentence, place and time of incarceration, or other disposition of the defendant, the scheduled release date of the defendant, and the release of or the escape by the defendant from custody.
13. To restitution.
A. It is the unequivocal intention of the People of the State of California that all persons who suffer losses as a result of criminal activity shall have the right to seek and secure restitution from the persons convicted of the crimes causing the losses they suffer.
B. Restitution shall be ordered from the convicted wrongdoer in every case, regardless of the sentence or disposition imposed, in which a crime victim suffers a loss.
C. All monetary payments, monies, and property collected from any person who has been ordered to make restitution shall be first applied to pay the amounts ordered as restitution to the victim.
14. To the prompt return of property when no longer needed as evidence.
15. To be informed of all parole procedures, to participate in the parole process, to provide information to the parole authority to be considered before the parole of the offender, and to be notified, upon request, of the parole or other release of the offender.
16. To have the safety of the victim, the victim’s family, and the general public considered before any parole or other post-judgment release decision is made.
17. To be informed of the rights enumerated in paragraphs (1) through (16).
A victim, the retained attorney of a victim, a lawful representative of the victim, or the prosecuting attorney upon request of the victim, may enforce the above rights in any trial or appellate court with jurisdiction over the case as a matter of right. The court shall act promptly on such a request.
(Cal. Const., art. I, § 28(c)(1).)
Local Resources and Support Groups
Your local Victim Witness Assistance Center can provide advocacy and specific information on local resources, the Victim Compensation Program, nonprofit victim’s rights groups and support groups. To obtain information on the Victim Witness Assistance Center nearest to you, contact
Attorney General’s Victim Services Unit 1-877-433-9069
California Statewide and National Resources
The following are some of the resources available to victims and their families. This is not an exhaustive list. The Attorney General offers these references for informational purposes only.
California Attorney General’s Victim Services Unit
1-877- 433-9069
www.ag.ca.gov/victimservices
California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, Office of Victim & Survivor Rights & Services
1-877-256-OVSS (6877)
www.cdcr.ca.gov/victim_services
Rape, Abuse, Incest, National Network
1-800-656-HOPE
http://www.rainn.org/
California Partnership to End Domestic Violence
1-800-524-4765
www.cpedv.org
Victims of Crime Resource Center, Pacific/McGeorge School of Law
1-800-842-8467, 1-800-victims
www.1800victims.org
National Center for Victims of Crime
1-800-FYI-CALL, 1-800-394-2255
www.ncvc.org/national
National Domestic Violence Hotline
1-800-799-SAFE (7233)
www.ndvh.org
Your willingness to respond to the cries of help of another speaks volumes as to your character. The deafening silence to your cries speaks to the sorry state to which our communities have sunk.
http://ag.ca.gov/victimservices/index.php
Victims’ Bill of Rights
"Marsy’s Rights"
California Constitution, Article I, Section 28(b)
California Constitution, Article I, Section 28(b)
In order to preserve and protect a victim’s rights to justice and due process, a victim shall be entitled to the following rights:
1. To be treated with fairness and respect for his or her privacy and dignity, and to be free from intimidation, harassment, and abuse, throughout the criminal or juvenile justice process.
2. To be reasonably protected from the defendant and persons acting on behalf of the defendant.
3. To have the safety of the victim and the victim’s family considered in fixing the amount of bail and release conditions for the defendant.
4. To prevent the disclosure of confidential information or records to the defendant, the defendant’s attorney, or any other person acting on behalf of the defendant, which could be used to locate or harass the victim or the victim’s family or which disclose confidential communications made in the course of medical or counseling treatment, or which are otherwise privileged or confidential by law.
5. To refuse an interview, deposition, or discovery request by the defendant, the defendant’s attorney, or any other person acting on behalf of the defendant, and to set reasonable conditions on the conduct of any such interview to which the victim consents.
6. To reasonable notice of and to reasonably confer with the prosecuting agency, upon request, regarding, the arrest of the defendant if known by the prosecutor, the charges filed, the determination whether to extradite the defendant, and, upon request, to be notified of and informed before any pretrial disposition of the case. 7. To reasonable notice of all public proceedings, including delinquency proceedings, upon request, at which the defendant and the prosecutor are entitled to be present and of all parole or other post-conviction release proceedings, and to be present at all such proceedings.
8. To be heard, upon request, at any proceeding, including any delinquency proceeding, involving a post-arrest release decision, plea, sentencing, post-conviction release decision, or any proceeding in which a right of the victim is at issue.
9. To a speedy trial and a prompt and final conclusion of the case and any related post-judgment proceedings. 10. To provide information to a probation department official conducting a pre-sentence investigation concerning the impact of the offense on the victim and the victim’s family and any sentencing recommendations before the sentencing of the defendant.
11. To receive, upon request, the pre-sentence report when available to the defendant, except for those portions made confidential by law.
12. To be informed, upon request, of the conviction, sentence, place and time of incarceration, or other disposition of the defendant, the scheduled release date of the defendant, and the release of or the escape by the defendant from custody.
13. To restitution.
A. It is the unequivocal intention of the People of the State of California that all persons who suffer losses as a result of criminal activity shall have the right to seek and secure restitution from the persons convicted of the crimes causing the losses they suffer.
B. Restitution shall be ordered from the convicted wrongdoer in every case, regardless of the sentence or disposition imposed, in which a crime victim suffers a loss.
C. All monetary payments, monies, and property collected from any person who has been ordered to make restitution shall be first applied to pay the amounts ordered as restitution to the victim.
14. To the prompt return of property when no longer needed as evidence.
15. To be informed of all parole procedures, to participate in the parole process, to provide information to the parole authority to be considered before the parole of the offender, and to be notified, upon request, of the parole or other release of the offender.
16. To have the safety of the victim, the victim’s family, and the general public considered before any parole or other post-judgment release decision is made.
17. To be informed of the rights enumerated in paragraphs (1) through (16).
A victim, the retained attorney of a victim, a lawful representative of the victim, or the prosecuting attorney upon request of the victim, may enforce the above rights in any trial or appellate court with jurisdiction over the case as a matter of right. The court shall act promptly on such a request.
(Cal. Const., art. I, § 28(c)(1).)
Local Resources and Support Groups
Your local Victim Witness Assistance Center can provide advocacy and specific information on local resources, the Victim Compensation Program, nonprofit victim’s rights groups and support groups. To obtain information on the Victim Witness Assistance Center nearest to you, contact
Attorney General’s Victim Services Unit 1-877-433-9069
California Statewide and National Resources
The following are some of the resources available to victims and their families. This is not an exhaustive list. The Attorney General offers these references for informational purposes only.
California Attorney General’s Victim Services Unit
1-877- 433-9069
www.ag.ca.gov/victimservices
California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, Office of Victim & Survivor Rights & Services
1-877-256-OVSS (6877)
www.cdcr.ca.gov/victim_services
Rape, Abuse, Incest, National Network
1-800-656-HOPE
http://www.rainn.org/
California Partnership to End Domestic Violence
1-800-524-4765
www.cpedv.org
Victims of Crime Resource Center, Pacific/McGeorge School of Law
1-800-842-8467, 1-800-victims
www.1800victims.org
National Center for Victims of Crime
1-800-FYI-CALL, 1-800-394-2255
www.ncvc.org/national
National Domestic Violence Hotline
1-800-799-SAFE (7233)
www.ndvh.org
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I know what you mean. I'd like to think that I could act if I was confronted by a situation like that, but I'll never know unless it happens to me.
I know that I don't really know you Bears other than what I've seen of you here on the BBS over the years, but I am proud of you. I hope you recover swiftly and are able to make all involved (or uninvolved as the case may be) pay for it.
I can't get over the sheer ineptitude of the police in this situation. It's enough to warrant some vigilante justice, because if some asshole did that to me, I don't know if after trying to go through the correct channels and getting as little help as you are, if I would be able to just let that son of a bitch roam free. I'm thinking I'd have to find a way to just make that guys silently and suddenly...disappear.
I do have to say that while it's easy to second guess what you did and what you didn't do, in a situation like that, you're running off of pure instinct. I think it is very telling of your character that your instincts told you to fight, rather than flee and that you didn't just sit idly by while someone was hurt, (even if they may not have been completely worthy of your efforts).
The victim should be thanking you for saving his life.
Now it's time for you to royally fuck up that of the attacker.
I do have to say that while it's easy to second guess what you did and what you didn't do, in a situation like that, you're running off of pure instinct. I think it is very telling of your character that your instincts told you to fight, rather than flee and that you didn't just sit idly by while someone was hurt, (even if they may not have been completely worthy of your efforts).
The victim should be thanking you for saving his life.
Now it's time for you to royally fuck up that of the attacker.
Sorry to hear you had to go through this. Best of luck with your case though, I hope everyone gets what's coming to them.
Nice job on pulling together all those resources, pookha. You, too, Non Sync. 
i've only just seen this, but i wanna say, 'i'm really sorry to hear what happened. be bloody grateful you only got bruises and a broken foot, it coulda been worse. hope to hell you get some compo out of this and the bastard does time. hope you get better soon.'
I see people have been given a handful of links to help you with the lawyer-business already, but maybe this'll help as well:
A list of law firms on the LA area dealing with landlord and tenant law:
http://www.lawyers.com/Landlord-and-Tenant-Law/California/Los-Angeles/law-firms.html
And the same, but for personal injury:
http://www.lawyers.com/Personal-Injury/California/Los-Angeles/law-firms.html
A list of law firms on the LA area dealing with landlord and tenant law:
http://www.lawyers.com/Landlord-and-Tenant-Law/California/Los-Angeles/law-firms.html
And the same, but for personal injury:
http://www.lawyers.com/Personal-Injury/California/Los-Angeles/law-firms.html
I just want to add that I'm a little dismayed and curious to the attitude taken against the other "victim" in all of this.
He's an abused spouse and just because he doesn't want to press charges against his attacker doesn't necessarily speak ill of his character. He has Stockholm or abused spouse syndrome. He's been beaten psychologically as well as physically.
I don't think a whole lot of shame and hate should be heaped on him, nor any wish of more harm to him. He's just as battered and beaten as BDF, if not more so because he's mentally beaten too. He needs pity and help not scorn and hate.
He's an abused spouse and just because he doesn't want to press charges against his attacker doesn't necessarily speak ill of his character. He has Stockholm or abused spouse syndrome. He's been beaten psychologically as well as physically.
I don't think a whole lot of shame and hate should be heaped on him, nor any wish of more harm to him. He's just as battered and beaten as BDF, if not more so because he's mentally beaten too. He needs pity and help not scorn and hate.
I can see both sides. On the one hand he deserves pity and concern, on the other you can't help people like that until they help themselves, and the fact the his partner is not only violent towards him but towards others as well means that he's not only leaving himself in danger, but others too, for that he deserves to be thought ill of. But I'd never wish injury, or more harm on anyone.
The thing is thought he's in cowering fear over what his partner will do to him. If his partner bites of a chunk of his face (is he dating Mike Tyson?!) for not cleaning the dishes (or whatever) think what would happen if he turned him in for such an attack or assult?
He *can't* help himself as he's been beaten and abused. What he needs is a good, close, friend to step in and help him and even MAKE him get help right now he's far too beaten and battered to want to do anything for himself because he's a)too scared of what might happen b)possibly too afraid of losing someone.
If you try to help you usually end up being the one who is resented, they have to make the choice to help themselves before anything can be done, even by a friend.
I know what you're saying, but he is still endangering others by not acting, which makes it a tough thing to say he is totally deserving of sympathy.
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