I refuse to watch Trek remastered

[Professor Moriarty]

Surak said:
I refuse. I really don't see why people would want to even watch this. Just wait, they'll probabally release this on DVD to try and scam more money from us.

I used to feel the same way you do, Surak, and the early "remastered" episodes were indeed pretty awful. CBS Digital has really hit their stride with the latest batch of episodes, though, and although I would wish that they would just bite the bullet and go ALL the way (i.e., replace the fake soundstage cyclorama backgrounds with CGI sky effects), I'm generally pleased with what I've been seeing lately. And when was the last time you saw this much buzz about the original series? Rejoice in Trek's newfound popularity. If you don't want to watch the "remastered" episodes, that's cool... you can always dig out your original version DVD box sets.

 

[Keith1701]

TBonz said:

Cutter John said:

I know it's petty of me, but that made me laugh. I'm saving it for future use. I wish it had been Kirk, not Picard though.

Back on topic. I like the remastered episodes, what few I've seen (it airs at 6 A.M. here and I always forget to set my VCR.) I probably won't buy this on DVD, as I already invested in the TOS dvds a few years back, and they're sufficient.

But I see no harm in the remastering. If one likes it, great. If not, back to the original shows. No one loses.

I agree, and same is true with me and my collection of TOS on DVD, but I have seen some remastered episodes and they look pretty good.

 

[number6]

Brundledan said:

Number6 said:
Refusing to watch on principle is moronic. I watch simply out of curiosity to see what they did and it makes me look forward to watching TOS as much as it did when I saw it for the first time. Why would anyone deny themselves the opportunity?? Of course if you see it and you hate it, that's one thing, but sticking your head in the sand on the sheer principle of it is ignorance at its finest. Unfortunately that attitude is so prevalent in this neck of the woods.

There's nothing wrong with one wishing to keep intact the memories of a thing he or she has loved for many years. It is no more "sticking your head in the sand" for someone to avoid TOS-R than it is for him to decline to examine his 60 year-old mother's brand-new boob job.

-Dan

Not exactly an apt analogy.

 

[Brundledan]

Number6 said:
Not exactly an apt analogy.

Considering the overall quality of the new effects I'd say it's about right.

-Dan

 

[number6]

Whatever.. Your opinion doesn't make it so.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Cutter John said:

What's really ironic is the first time I saw that picture was when someone brought up the topic of replacing old graphics with new CGI. At the time, I didn't think there was a chance of that happening.

Love the pic, though, glad it has a use once again

 

[Brundledan]

Number6 said:
Whatever.. Your opinion doesn't make it so.

Too bad. I'm giving it to you anyway.

-Dan

 

[Shatmandu]

Surak said:
I refuse. I really don't see why people would want to even watch this.

There's all kinds of new shit to nitpick!

I understand your point of view, though: I refuse to eat mayonaise.

Joe, dry

 

[LavianoTS386]

Brundledan said:

Number6 said:
Not exactly an apt analogy.

Considering the overall quality of the new effects I'd say it's about right.

-Dan

Does anyone else see the irony?

Quality?

 

[Ssosmcin]

The new effects only bother me because they really should be better. Every so often, a shot looks great (like the Botany Bay stuff as it floats away), but it's mostly lower level CGI. And, as much as I AM a purist, I say that if they're going to chancge the effects shots, then CHANGE them. Don't give us shots mirroring the originals so much. Do more with them, take the clunkiness out of the space battle staging, give us angles we've never seen before and really make them look great instead of tacked on video game stuff. I've heard that the difference between good CGI and bad is time. CBS/Paramount is rushing these to their own detriment.

As for the remastered picture itself, it doesn't look much different than the DVDs to me, so I don't watch it for that. I am curious about the effects, but after awhile, that gets stale when you realize certain episodes only have about 4 shots of the Enterprise orbiting. I'd rather not sit through stinkers like Catspaw for that. And until they're shown uncut, I'll mostly stick with the DVDs. But I still check out the new stuff to see what they've done.

 

[jayrath]

Brundledan said:There's nothing wrong with one wishing to keep intact the memories of a thing he or she has loved for many years. It is no more "sticking your head in the sand" for someone to avoid TOS-R than it is for him to decline to examine his 60 year-old mother's brand-new boob job.

-Dan

Thanks -- I think. But some of us detest TOS-R on aesthetic grounds.

I believe it represents something of a generational split. Those raised on computer games see nothing wrong with viewing film and television as being at least somewhat interactive, and therefore malleable. Others of us believe that when a work of art is complete, that's it -- it's done. TOS is a 1960s television show. I believe it is best appreciated as a 1960s television show, and not a collection of ancient film clips strung between cutting edge computer cartoons.

I do not like CGI additions, I do not like colorization, and I do not like fresh edits, in TOS or anything else. And you can call it Trek "revised" or whatever you want, but it is definitely not "remastered." Calling it that suggests that the original elements have merely been recomposited.

And yes, I know that most people here just love what's happening. Fine. You win!

 

[RAMA]

Surak said:
I refuse. I really don't see why people would want to even watch this. Just wait, they'll probabally release this on DVD to try and scam more money from us.

I think we established early on that if CBS/paramount and fans want to see decent HD versions in the future they pretty much HAD to enhance the episodes for the higher resolution technology, otherwise it wouldn't look suitable for broadcast or HD-DVD. And yes they certainly want to make money off of it.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

jayrath said:

Brundledan said:There's nothing wrong with one wishing to keep intact the memories of a thing he or she has loved for many years. It is no more "sticking your head in the sand" for someone to avoid TOS-R than it is for him to decline to examine his 60 year-old mother's brand-new boob job.

-Dan

Thanks -- I think. But some of us detest TOS-R on aesthetic grounds.

I believe it represents something of a generational split. Those raised on computer games see nothing wrong with viewing film and television as being at least somewhat interactive, and therefore malleable. Others of us believe that when a work of art is complete, that's it -- it's done. TOS is a 1960s television show. I believe it is best appreciated as a 1960s television show, and not a collection of ancient film clips strung between cutting edge computer cartoons.

I do not like CGI additions, I do not like colorization, and I do not like fresh edits, in TOS or anything else. And you can call it Trek "revised" or whatever you want, but it is definitely not "remastered." Calling it that suggests that the original elements have merely been recomposited.

And yes, I know that most people here just love what's happening. Fine. You win!

I prefer calling it enhanced and am trying not to use remastered anymore.

On technical and aesthetic terms TOS enhanced looks a lot better.

RAMA

 

[davejames]

jayrath said:
I believe it represents something of a generational split. Those raised on computer games see nothing wrong with viewing film and television as being at least somewhat interactive, and therefore malleable. Others of us believe that when a work of art is complete, that's it -- it's done. TOS is a 1960s television show. I believe it is best appreciated as a 1960s television show, and not a collection of ancient film clips strung between cutting edge computer cartoons.

I definitely understand that argument, but I think it also testifies to the power and iconic stature of the original series that people DO want to make it as good as can be. You can question the results, but the idea of bringing the FX up to the high level of the rest of the show isn't necessarily a bad one.

Besides, but we're only talking about special effects here. The storytelling, and the heart and humanity that REALLY made the show what it is haven't been touched at all.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

It's definitely not "remastered" in the strictest sense of the word, which is why I use quotes when referring to it as such. But "remastered" is the term that TPTB are using, so "remastered" it is.

 

[Joker]

Trek Remastered rocks my socks.

Three thumbs up from me.

 

[Ward Fowler]

I saw a couple of "remastered" episodes and that was enough for me. I don't look upon the original f/x as disposable and I'm quite sure the creators of those f/x didn't either. Not only that, but I actually prefer the original f/x to the new ones. The "remastered" f/x of the Enterprise look cheap and cartoony to me. However, I'm not going to judge those who disagree with me, especially when they appear to be in the majority. I'm lucky enough to have the entire series on DVD, so I can continue to enjoy them as they were orginally intended to be seen.

 

[NCC621]

If Trek Remastered bothers you, please don't watch.

I like it a lot. I watch it every week. And I'm gonna buy it when it comes out on DVD.

 

[Jptrekker]

Surak said:
I refuse. I really don't see why people would want to even watch this. Just wait, they'll probabally release this on DVD to try and scam more money from us.

So, when they released TOS on Laserdisc after it was released on VHS was that a scam? After all, everybody already had the tapes?

Then...when it was released on DVD after it was released on VHS & Laserdisc was that a scam? After all, everybody had the VHS (and some stubborn few the Laserdisc)?

Now, a new disc format is coming out; HD/Bluray (whichever becomes standard) and they will again release TOS (most likely TOS-R & TOS-UN-R on the same set but both in HD) in that new format. Is releasing something in that new format a scam? No, it's a release of a previously released product in a new format, so that owners of that new format can enjoy it in the best possible format available.

That's like a record company saying, sorry we released the entire Elvis Presley library previously on LP (that's vinyl records), no cassettes, CD's or MP3 downloads, after all we wouldn't want to scam anybody into buying something that is already released.

Hey, if you're against progress better get out the black and white TV (and a 5 incher at that), old tube radios, and wind up record players. Unplug that cable and satellite and stick out some rabbit ears. The rest of us will enjoy our programs in beautiful high definition on HD-DVD and a HD-TV and will continue to bicker with each other for years to come over which is better TOS-R or TOS-UN-R.


Scam, no. Matter of personal taste, yes. The destroying of TOS, not at all.

Hey, if you don't want to watch, don't, you have nothing to lose one way or another.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Wait...Trekkies refusing to watch something Trek without even sampling it. Shocking.