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I read a novel in a day!

Thanks Thrawn I'll look into them after destiny.

When did the stories start to become all set within continuity so they didn't contradict each other like early novels often did? I don't know how someone about to have a story published would know what's happening in a novel after them. Does someone at the publisher have a job to check this?


Depends on the project. If you're just doing a standalone TOS novel set back during the tv show, you probably don't have to worry too much about contradicting another author. But if you're part of some complicated Relaunch saga, involving more than one author, than there are probably lots of phone calls and emails involved, with an editor at Pocket Books keeping an eye on the big picture . . ..
 
To answer your question, with a couple exceptions (Myriad Universes, all the books by William Shatner, the Crucible trilogy, a few others) the books since 2001 have all been consistent with each other, minus the occasional error. The beginning of the DS9 relaunch is pretty much the start of that.

Of course, several earlier novels have been referred to later, thus adding them to the same overall novel continuity. There's more on that in the "Charting the Novel-verse" thread pinned at the top.

...and before someone beats me to it, this shouldn't mean that you're intimidated, or feel like you have to read all the interconnecting books. It's just a bonus; you know that the stories won't contradict. They still, more often than not, stand alone if you just pick them up. The DS9 relaunch, New Frontier, and Vanguard series are the only real exceptions, I think, where you'd want to read the whole thing from the beginning.
 
Actually the first era of inter-novel continuity began in the mid-'80s, when various novelists began a) doing multiple books with recurring characters and b) cross-referencing concepts or characters from other authors' books. Notable examples include: Margaret Wander Bonanno's Dwellers in the Crucible using John M. Ford's version of Klingons and Diane Duane's version of Romulans/Rihannsu (as well as elements from Vonda McIntyre's portrayal of Deltans in her TWOK novelization, I believe); J. M. Dillard's The Lost Years alluding to the events of Diane Carey's Dreadnought; Diane Duane's Spock's World using Dillard's security chief character Tomson; and Gene DeWeese making his Chain of Attack a loose sequel to Lee Correy's The Abode of Life. Probably the fullest manifestation of this process (which was encouraged by the editor at the time, Dave Stern, I think) was A. C. Crispin's Time for Yesterday -- a sequel to her own Yesterday's Son, but one that incorporated elements from the books of McIntyre, Duane, Carey, Dillard, Ford, Howard Weinstein, Jean Lorrah, and Brad Ferguson. So by the late '80s, most of Pocket's output to date could be considered part of a blanket continuity, even if much of it was incorporated retroactively and some inconsistencies no doubt existed.

This process was scuttled once Roddenberry and Richard Arnold decided they wanted the books to merely follow the show's lead rather than creating their own continuity. So we had a stretch of over a decade with just standalones, and the developing onscreen continuity contradicted more and more of what the early novels did. Still, the internovel continuity that exists today is the second iteration of such a shared-universe approach to Trek Lit.
 
Hmmmm. I like the continuity but it leaves no place to explore themes that could be imagined in other ways. For instance at the moment I have just published the 1st chapter of my 1st fan fic storyhttp://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=126400. It involves the conspiracy aliens. I have read that they have returned in a DS9 novel where they are in a secret war with the till symbionts.

I haven't read the book so I can't comment and I'm not planning on sending my story to a publisher anyway. But suppose I wanted to... My friends have read the whole story and think its a really good way to use the conspiracy aliens. So it doesn't leave any room to explore existing themes.

I understand that there is a need for continuity. But as this is all non canon no matter how close the people involved work with CBS/Paramount shouldn't there be a bit of leway? A stand alone book that might have different contradictory occurances once in a while would be good. I read that in a book the Klingons destroyed the Guardian of Forever. But its in Imzadi 100 years later. I bet each story was good on its own merits regardless of canon.

Destiny has hinted at a lot of stuff that has happened to characters in previous books. It's necessary but does spoil the books I haven't read yet.

For a would be novelist is it imperative to read all the book in order?
 
I understand that there is a need for continuity. But as this is all non canon no matter how close the people involved work with CBS/Paramount shouldn't there be a bit of leway? A stand alone book that might have different contradictory occurances once in a while would be good.

And indeed such books exist. You reference one noted example yourself, the Crucible trilogy, in your next sentence:

I read that in a book the Klingons destroyed the Guardian of Forever.

There is no mandate that all books must be in continuity. The internovel continuity is just something that happened because the authors and editors liked the idea of it. But there's never been anything preventing an author from telling a story that wasn't in the overall continuity. It's always been voluntary, and there have indeed been exceptions.


For a would be novelist is it imperative to read all the book in order?

Of course not. It's generally a good idea to read any book that may have direct bearing on what you're writing, but you don't have to read them in any particular order (so long as you're aware of their chronological order and don't contradict it in your own book). Still, overall it's the editor's responsibility to ensure that any books that are meant to be consistent with each other are reasonably free of contradictions.
 
Ok. Thanks a lot for that.

I had a hard enough time getting my stardates right off the series for my fan fic, never mind having to read dozens of books
 
The Needs of the Many pretty firmly establishes conflicting novels take place in alternate universes (which fans have been saying forever) - Destiny, Star Trek Online, STXI and a number of little continuity errors in the pre-Destiny books are all brought up in the DTI chapter.

I'd love to see the Treklit multiverse used somehow. The culture shock in going from, say, a post-Destiny universe to the paranoid Undine-fearing STO one would be interesting.
 
I used to be able to read a Trek novel in a day but I just can't do it aany more. I think it's because the newer novels tend to be long than they used to be. Plus I seem to enjoy them more if I take my time. If I read too fast I can miss some interesting stuff.
 
I long for the days when I could devote that much time to reading. I recall in 7th grade a friend gave me the LOTR trilogy to read. I started it on Friday after school, read all weekend and gave him the books back Monday morning. He was a bit stunned I had devoured the whole thing in just over two days.

So am I. :wtf: I spent three weeks with the first book in the trilogy before giving up.

I read all three, it just took a long time. I started reading the first one shortly after seeing the first movie. I was still reading the first one by the time the second movie came out.

I think I spent a good two weeks trying to read The Council of Elrond (and actually falling asleep while reading it).
 
I can sympathize. I wouldn't ever argue that it's good writing, but the particular style is somehow very hard on me. I had similar problems with Anne Rice and a lot of classical literature. Which isn't to suggest that Rice or Tolkien should necessarily be considered classical literature.

It may have something to do with my patience levels not being the greatest to begin with. I like books where things are happening...when it goes into exposition or a large amount of detail about something that isn't (or doesn't appear to be) very pertinent to the plot I get kind of antsy.
 
I understand how you feel about Tolkein. I really enjoyed his Hobbit. I read nearly all the first Bored of the Rings. But then I just gave up. It was too longwinded. He goes to great lengths to describe things, settings, people to level of boredom that would make a batteyr hen take up an evening class. I believe he wrote the books first and foremeost for himself. So I can see why he described it. Getting his emotions and imagination on paper must have felt good to him. But to someone who wants to get on with the story its a lot of stuff to wade through. And you are right you need a lot of patience.
 
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who couldn't finish LotR. I loved The Hobbit, Fellowship, and the first half of The Two Towers, but I've never been able to get through the second half of TT. Nothing friggin happens, it's just the Frodo, Sam, and Gollum wandering around not doing much. I've tried twice and both time I got to pretty much the same page before I couldn't take it any longer.
 
Oddly enough, I wouldn't read the Hobbit until two years after reading LOTR.

I'm the type of reader who if the book draws me in I can't put it down. Not sure why LOTR drew me in. I'm not a fantasy fan, and until Martin's A Song of Fire and Ice I was never able to get into another fantasy series they way I got into LOTR.
 
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who couldn't finish LotR.

I finished it, but only through sheer force of will. I loved the movies, and my wife loved the books. So I made myself read it. Made for good sleep during those weeks.
 
I devoured LotR but I've never been able to finish The Hobbit. Samething with Dune. I tried reading it and it put me to sleep. That was 25 years ago and I haven't tried it since then.
 
Has anyone ever read the Father Christmas letters by Tolkein. Its a collection of letters he wrote from father christmas to his kids detailing wars with goblins. Easily his easiest to read works:rommie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Father_Christmas_Letters

It's interesting that people read fantasy and star trek. I never thought of them as the same. Well maybe Enterprise was.


Science fiction, fantasy, horror . . . they're all just different approaches to telling wildly imaginative stories that aren't limited to what is real. They also overlap so much that it's kind of pointless to try to distinguish between them.

I've always devoured them in pretty much equal quantities.
 
Funny that you should say that. I'm reading David Gerrold's "Involuntary Human" anthology right now (I admit the chance to read "Blood and Fire" was what brought my attention to it) and that certainly seems to span the genres. Some of it's funny, some of it's touching and some of it just makes my skin crawl a bit.

BTW, and I apologize for the segue - my copy has what appears to be Gerrold's signature inside the front cover. Is this standard? Is it possible/likely he signed the book himself, versus this being a copy (or worse, someone else signed it)? It looks pretty authentic to me, but I'm no expert.
 
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