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I need help from a psychologist or psychiatrist... but not like that!

sidious618

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Hey. I'm taking a "Writing For Newspapers" class and I need help. I'm doing a story on why Americans tend to be less content and more depressed than so many other industrial countries. I need quotes from people who are at least somewhat in the field either in the US or aboard.

We're supposed to reach out and I figured why not ask you fine folks. However, I need to quote the person by name so if you feel uncomfortable with that it's not for you. I'd appreciate any help.
 
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Is there any data to back that up? Aside from some Scandinavian countries, I find it hard to imagine any first world country where the contentment and depression levels would be remarkably different than the US.
 
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I blame the news media only focusing on "bad news" and sensationalist garbage in a grasp for ratings.

It trickles down the public being more aware of the bad shit and depressing the entire nation.

That's my theory anyway.
 
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Is there any data to back that up?

I'd like to see some data, too. It wouldn't surprise me to see higher depression rates among all the so-called highly developed and industrialized countries.
 
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It's called "American Exceptionalism"
 
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I'd like to see some data, too. It wouldn't surprise me to see higher depression rates among all the so-called highly developed and industrialized countries.

Can I ask, what is your theory behind your expectation?


Hey. I'm taking a "Writing For Newspapers" class and I need help. I'm doing a story on why Americans tend to be less content and more depressed than so many other industrial countries. I need quotes from people who are at least somewhat in the field either in the US or aboard.

As an outsider looking in, I think the American people are guilty of blurring the boundary between their own identity and their nationality, which is part of the psychology of patriotism.

The most significant consequence seems to be that it blurs the boundary between ego and politics. The conflicts in the latter transfer into disharmony for the former.

In more concrete terms, the American people have high expectations of their nation: socially, technologically, and morally. These create a feeling of pride and worth. When they see their nation fall short of those ideals, it's a blow for their egos.
 
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A common perception is countries with individualistic cultures are less happy than collectivist cultures. It's not too hard to figure out why.
 
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Well, I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist but I suspect that -- supposing that your premise is correct -- many Americans buy into "Me First" and consumerism and find themselves disappointed that self-indulgence and having lots and lots of stuff hasn't brought them happiness.
 
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Consumerism is, ultimately, a hollow existence. Our entire economy is based on having you borrow money you don't have to buy things you don't need.

Or as The Fixx used to say.... "How much is enough, when your soul is empty?"
 
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Consumerism is, ultimately, a hollow existence. Our entire economy is based on having you borrow money you don't have to buy things you don't need.

Or as The Fixx used to say.... "How much is enough, when your soul is empty?"

So do you feel that the core issue is a cultural problem, as in poor values being imprinted upon each generation by their elders. (What we might call a pernicious nurturing.)

More so than individuals being maladjusted to these cultural norms.
 
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Thanks, guys. This has been great so far.
 
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Hey, a psychiatric thread I actually feel comfortable posting my professional opinion in; that's a rarity! ;)

Reported rates of major clinical depression do vary quite a lot across the world (in contrast to some psychotic disorders, such as schizophrenia, which appear much more stable across the globe, though not uniform internally within any given country, and between population subgroups).

Still, it's very difficult to be absolutely sure of the basis of this variation. It could be a true variation, but it could also be a function of bias. Think about how data is collected - if you have a country with relatively low stigma attached to depression, a high awareness of the disorder leading to more people querying the possibility, and a relatively lax threshold for diagnosing it, combined with an incentive to report, reported rates are naturally going to higher than a country that does not have those variables, or has the opposite. Compensating for those biases is extremely difficult, and I'm far from convinced the commonly quoted studies in this area have adequate methodology to compensate even partially for these effects. Those biases will naturally mean the USA will have high reported rates, compared to say, Nigeria.

However, given the magnitude of the reported differences between countries, it's an interesting - if perhaps slightly shaky scientific practice - exercise, to think about what differences might account for the different prevalence rates. Certainly it's harder to attribute the difference in rates between, say, Belgium and the USA, purely to those biases, since they do share many of the same cultural variables.

One key aetiological factor in depression is the presence of life stressors. One key life stressor is a mismatch between what people feel they SHOULD be able to achieve and what they ARE doing with their life. The various Whitehall longitudinal studies have fairly adequately demonstrated that this loss of perceived control is related to increased stress, and eventually to a position of learned helplessness, both of which - unsurprisingly enough - are associated with increased rates of depression (and, indeed, other stress-related issues & illnesses).

Societies are generally actively aspirational - people are usually continually encouraged to compare their situation with a cultural ideal. There are few societies which do not encourage adherence to some sort of ethical/moral framework. However, the technological, informational and economic development of modern Western societies can take this encouragement to levels unseen before in human history. The pervasiveness with which the cultural ideal is daily presented to us, and the ease with which we can compare ourselves to it is really quite remarkable.

The obvious solution to this is to develop a sense of individual worth, which while informed by societal expectation is not determined by it. This, of course, is not an easy task, esp. given the strength of the many competing messages, and the general ease with which it is possible to avoid addressing the task. But that inner strength can allow one to overcome the sources of stress by realising the vacuity of the process by which they result in stress, and thus limit your exposure to risk factors associated with depression.

We may well all have some varying degree of genetic predisposition to depression, but one should not discount the importance of environmental factors in its aetiology. Controlling exposure to life stress, recognising the sheer amusing silliness inherent in much of what we do - and have to do - in daily life, and so limiting its psychological impact on us, and managing one's response to the stress are lessons our societies will have to learn. Especially since there's no putting the genie back in the bottle in terms of our economic and technological development (and of course, they both bring MANY benefits as well as problems, which should not be discounted), and these issues will naturally become more significant as the pace of that development continues to increase.
 
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^So, I think what you're saying, Holdfast, is that there are no good data that speak to the OP's assumption of greater discontentment in America compared to other countries. There are too many confounds.

I'd like to see some data, too. It wouldn't surprise me to see higher depression rates among all the so-called highly developed and industrialized countries.

Can I ask, what is your theory behind your expectation?

Holdfast's erudite and informed response has me reluctant to even offer an opinion! But it does seem to me that modern society, and all it's new technologies that bring us together electronically, have had the effect of separating us physically. Face-to-face interactions have been replaced by cold, remote keyboard typing, which is what I do now several hours each day. I can't imagine this is good for us. But I could be wrong.
 
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^^ I don't find Internet interactions cold at all. I think it's wonderful that people from all over the world, all different cultures and backgrounds, and all ages, et cetera, can meet and interact in this way. Meeting all you people from out in those wild, untamed lands beyond Massachusetts has been a great delight for me. :D
 
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I think what you're saying, Holdfast, is that there are no good data that speak to the OP's assumption of greater discontentment in America compared to other countries. There are too many confounds.

Not exactly. That's probably too much of stretch. To be precise, I don't think the extent of the differences claimed by the data, are justified by the data because of the biases I mentioned. I suspect there IS international variation in the rates of clinical depression, but probably not as much as the data in some studies would have you believe. Also - and this really is personal judgement than based on scientific fact - I suspect the true international variation in severe clinical depression is much less than the international variation in mild/moderate clinical depression.

Sorry to be so imprecise, but there isn't a straight answer to your question.

(finally - and this is pedantry - biases are technically different to confounds, but I've answered the question I think you meant to ask rather than the one you actually asked.)

Holdfast's erudite and informed response has me reluctant to even offer an opinion! But it does seem to me that modern society, and all it's new technologies that bring us together electronically, have had the effect of separating us physically. Face-to-face interactions have been replaced by cold, remote keyboard typing, which is what I do now several hours each day. I can't imagine this is good for us. But I could be wrong.

I don't know. My hunch is that increasing technological sophistication and communication, not to mention the vast resources of information it implies, is a double-edged sword.

On one hand the information and contacts have the potential to help people feel more secure in themselves, and more empowered and connected. On the other hand it has the potential to increase confusion and increase social isolation. I tend to view it as another tool, that can result in good or bad outcomes, depending on how the user implements the tool, rather than as a good or bad thing in itself.

That viewpoint may just be my optimism expressing itself. I like technology, and the internet, and so would not like to think it is always a negative aetiological factor. In truth, I do not know for certain, but I can certainly cite anecdotal evidence (and I think there are also some small-scale peer reviewed studies, though I haven't checked) where the social connectivity and information provided by the internet has benefited people with depression.

EDITED TO ADD: the discussion about the impact of increased technology interconnectivity potentially paradoxically leading to an increased sense of isolation makes me think of Durkheim's concept of "anomie" as a response to the existential angst created by a complex society that nonetheless does not allow for an individual sense of self-worth. When Durkheim proposed it, it was in reference what could happen to individuals either in anarchic or in totalitarian states (the major issues of the day in his time). But it's hardly a stretch to consider that the advanced technological milieu we live in, and the internet itself, could represent a virtual state capable of inducing the same feeling. I'm sure there's someone's future doctoral thesis buried in this paragraph. :lol:

EDIT 2: Come to think of it, the above paragraph was actually somebody's major motion picture. Blade Runner, for one, delves pretty deeply into those themes.
 
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A tip: Don't start from the assumption that Americans are more depressed. Start from a question, like how does depression amongst Americans compare to other industrialized countries? When you're writing a newspaper article, you should strive to eliminate bias wherever possible.

So unless you're writing a piece that would be intended for an opinion section, don't set out trying to prove a point. Instead, set out with the intent of learning more about an issue. It's generally impossible to eliminate bias completely, but the more you can do so, the better.
 
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^^ I don't find Internet interactions cold at all. I think it's wonderful that people from all over the world, all different cultures and backgrounds, and all ages, et cetera, can meet and interact in this way. Meeting all you people from out in those wild, untamed lands beyond Massachusetts has been a great delight for me. :D

Me too! But I have to place a daily limit on internet interactions, in the same way I place a limit on my chocolate consumption. I need real flesh & blood people as much as I need chicken and broccoli. :lol:
 
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A tip: Don't start from the assumption that Americans are more depressed. Start from a question, like how does depression amongst Americans compare to other industrialized countries? When you're writing a newspaper article, you should strive to eliminate bias wherever possible.

So unless you're writing a piece that would be intended for an opinion section, don't set out trying to prove a point. Instead, set out with the intent of learning more about an issue. It's generally impossible to eliminate bias completely, but the more you can do so, the better.

Right. Good points.

Start with the Null Hypothesis.
 
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