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I, Mudd - what a stinker

I will likely never watch I, Mudd again.

Plato's, I will, however.

AAMOT. All a matter of taste.

OTOH, I and my daughter watched Gamesters last night, which is so bad from a quality story standpoint, but so glorious from a cheezy Trek-ness standpoint.

One minor point - earlier eps, due to lighting or filmstock, often have a color to them: overall kinda reddish or bluish; Gamesters stands out as very true, color-wise and very saturated - looking more like S3 photography. With orange-skinned and green-haired people. Part of the cheez factor, for me anyway. Off topic I know.

While we're on it, how come I enjoy the cheez of Gamesters (plastic, colored brains, for the Gods' sake!) and not I, Mudd? Illogical, eh?
 
I'd never considered "plato's stepchildren" to be a comedy.
It's not a comedy... no, I meant "like a parody". Face value, there are some serious elements to this. What will these aliens do to the crew? Will someone be killed? The episode NEVER trumped up enough tension to make me believe that the crew was really in serious jeopardy. At the very least, they could have left McCoy and come back with reinforcements to rescue him. But in any case, so much of the interplay between the characters is not very believable. The only real touching part of this is Alexander... how he gets relief from his tormentors and ultimately given a ticket to freedom by Captain Kirk.

Can't take it seriously? It's a total, obvious, flat-out comedy episode!! Do you need a laugh track? As for "parody", I think you might mean "comedy", though I might be wrong. A "parody" has to be a parody OF something-- another show, say, or a show could even parody itself. (This ep does a little of that, as I said earlier.) "Parody" doesn't just mean a funny story. I've heard fans use the word that way. So, "I Mudd", a comedy with a hint of self-parody in it.
You obviously didn't catch my "tone". It's not a flat-out comedy, as there is no laugh-track. It's just plain silly, to the point where it's inherently comedic. It's a parody of a Star Trek episode. A parody of itself. Get it?

"Plato's Stepchildren" is a serious episode. The scenes that some people think are supposed to be funny are really meant to show Kirk and Spock being humiliated.
Well yes, there is genuine humiliation shown. And at some brief points, there is tension. When Kirk is being twisted into a terrible form, his teeth come lose and roll about in his mouth, then he falls back screaming in pain--THAT was serious. That's probably the only point where I felt that it was. The rest of it wasn't so. Everybody was so calm about what was going on, except for Alexander. It was in his face that you really saw dread in response to what he witnessed happening to the crew. Anyway, the premise became just so damned silly. Some concentrated hormones extracted from fruit, injected into your system and there you have it--psycho-kinetic abilities. I would have much preferred this episode if McCoy came up with a neutralizer, that took away the power from Parmen and the others. With their weak pathetic bodies, Kirk and crew would've been able to restrain them with ease.

I understand your point [regarding I, Mudd], but i think they could have done so in a less lame/trite way.

they were not forced to act like buffoons, they chose too.. sure, it worked, because the script said it did, but to me it just came across as silly and unbelievable in a bad way
Yes, I agree with you. I appreciate the idea of introducing illogical ideas to try tripping up the androids, but when you pantomime objects that do not exist? I'm sorry, but considering the android achievements, they'd have seen right through this and realized it was an attempt to undermine them. The crew could have conceived of better ways to trip them up... a clever "computing the value of Pi to the last digit" kind of problem. Spock was not well leveraged in this episode.

Anyway, that's if the episode were to be serious. Because of the outlandish "solution" taken, it was a farce, a comedy.
 
Re. Plato's,

It has great character moments, acting, sci-fi premise, theme, and yeah, it's supposed to be disturbing.

There is the little bit about being able to synthesize a telekinesis drug which we never hear of again, but hey, not like that's unheard of in Trek.
Great acting? What, "I'm Tweedle-dee and he's Tweedle-dum"? It's for the most part an embarrassing episode; Shatner and Nimoy really earned their pay that week.
 
Re. Plato's,

It has great character moments, acting, sci-fi premise, theme, and yeah, it's supposed to be disturbing.

There is the little bit about being able to synthesize a telekinesis drug which we never hear of again, but hey, not like that's unheard of in Trek.
Great acting? What, "I'm Tweedle-dee and he's Tweedle-dum"? It's for the most part an embarrassing episode; Shatner and Nimoy really earned their pay that week.


again, it's supposed to be embarrassing. They're being deliberately humiliated.
 
Re. Plato's,

It has great character moments, acting, sci-fi premise, theme, and yeah, it's supposed to be disturbing.

There is the little bit about being able to synthesize a telekinesis drug which we never hear of again, but hey, not like that's unheard of in Trek.
Great acting? What, "I'm Tweedle-dee and he's Tweedle-dum"? It's for the most part an embarrassing episode; Shatner and Nimoy really earned their pay that week.


again, it's supposed to be embarrassing. They're being deliberately humiliated.
But it's embarrassing and painful for the viewer to watch.
 
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Growing up, "I, Mudd" was always part of every TOS marathon. It was considered one of TOS' best episodes, and Mudd one of Trek's best characters.
 
Mudd was darker in "Women," more outlaw than buffoon, as in "I, Mudd."

Agreed. In "Women" when they got to the mining colony it always felt rather creepy to me. I don't mind either Mudd episodes. There are far worse and much better. If I put in a disk to watch I will not skip the episode if its on there.
 
Mudd was darker in "Women," more outlaw than buffoon, as in "I, Mudd."

I agree as well. His comments and explanations when the computer is reading off his record is hillarious, "Blast that tin platted pot!".

As time has gone by, I've enjoyed "I, Mudd", less and less. At first, seeing the charactors that I've grown to love act differently and have fun was quite enjoyable. Now, the novelty of it has worn thin. I have to admit that it now makes me cringe a bit as well.
 
As someone who is DYING to play Harry Mudd, (are you reading this, Mr. Cawley, Mr. Bednar, Mr. Huges or Mr. Mignogna?) I LOVE the character! Yes, he's a buffoon. Harry is a charlitan, a coniving stinker, a con man, a scallywag,...a pirate, even. A perfect comedic foil, steeped in theatrical hyperbole. I'd take that role in a New York minute!!
:devil::evil::devil:
 
He almost brought the Enterprise down in his first incarnation. Harry Two? Cue comedic Stella music.
 
I, Mudd was farcical, not humourous, and as such, it was what it was supposed to be. Because of Mudd, there were some funny parts about it, but overall, IMHO, it wasn't meant to be a comedy.

Plato's Stepchildren, now that was some serious shit. I clearly remember Plato's Stepchildren being very upsetting to me. That episode I recall, even as a boy, I wanted to punch Parmen senseless. This one is worth watching, and is especially timely now, with bullying being so in the forefront of the news.
 
Watched this earlier and I was cringeing for the cast in this episode. I hate the Mudd character and his presence brings this episode down to a piss poor level.

Had never regarded it as one of Treks worst, until now, its awfulness had no bounds.


Sorry

"Have You Been Drinking again ..you no good for nothing.....thing....thing..."

Me and a buddy still quote Stella Mudd from time to time when ever the better Half are on us.... I think the stuff on the end is a bit embarrasing..Shatner really Hams it up, but its not a bad ep.
 
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