darkwing_duck1
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Thought I'd translate that for everyone
"I like the new movie better..."
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Thought I'd translate that for everyone
I believe Kelso was joking.
It is to those who feel it is. In light of Star Trek 5, we can at the very least safely assume that most feel it is better visually than one of the previous 10 films, let alone any others that fans feel it is. Subjective.
darkwing_duck1
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Personally, I was/am rooting for Manny Coto and the Reeves-Stevens. They got it right.
Tut, tut. You can't raise such criticism against me and then cry foul against the dogmatic tone of the haters of the new movie: I was simply paraphrasing the findings of a recent scientific study, which is actually intellectual crap. However, I agree that chicken and egg arguments will have to determine whether this is a cause or an effect. Personally I blame society's decision to depart from Darwinian principles
Come to TNZ...we'll show you an entirely new level of ignorant.
I enjoyed the 2009 film version better. I dk, maybe its the HOT guys. But, it was just really intense and it got me really involved in the film.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
Yes, but Pike didn't now about the attack on the Klingons by a massive Romulan ship.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
That's not in the film.
Unless they recut the movie into a new 'official' edit, the Klingons played no part in Nero's '25-year-wait'.
You should read his TNZ-posts.
Personally, I like their kind of fan-wank.
But it is best kept in written form for the select group of those who are already fans. It would (probably) fail, as too self-referential, as films.
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
There is no evidence one way or the other as to their role at this point in time. You cannot say definitively those events did NOT happen, any more than one could say they did.
1) He was referring to the morons I was rebutting, not me.
2) Keep it in the Zone; that's the rule.
That word REALLY needs to be banned.
No, done right, it would add a layer of enjoyment for those "in the know".
ST-One
Vice Admiral
Okay.
It's still not part of the film and can therefore not be used against it.
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
^True enough.
The film already dropped in a billion references to other Treks, and unlike Enterprise ("Maybe...artificial life lolz" etc.) every reference was done right, as window dressing for the pretend future, and not a WTF moment for those who haven't memorized all 700 episodes or don't have the Star Trek Encylopedia at hand 24/7. Many times watching Enterprise people would ask me "what's that supposed to mean?" and I'd have to say "it's a stupid refernece to episode X or film Y". In STXI, I got all the refereneces, and nobody's asked me what anything was meant to be.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
Char Aznable
Lieutenant Commander
This is something a particularly enjoyed and that bothered me about Confused Matthew's rant about the film. He was bitching about how unoriginal it was to use likes from previous films and TV shows. Y'know, since Bones didn't constantly say, "I'm a doctor, not a . . . " all the time, Spock didn't say, "Fascinating," constantly, Scotty didn't EVER say anything like, "I'm giving her all she's got, Captain," etc. It's also not like people reuse sayings all the time in real life or anything, right?
The various fan critiques of the movie - especially the video ones - are tedious, innish and veer wildly between whinging and lame attempts to be clever. If these people were any good at what they're doing, they'd find a way to be paid for it.
Christy LeMire did one of the most interesting brief, negative reviews of this film - because she actually knows something about movies (instead of just about Trek), and her remarks about Abrams's weaknesses as a director are worth pondering because even if you disagree they give you another way of analyzing other films as well.
Christy LeMire did one of the most interesting brief, negative reviews of this film - because she actually knows something about movies (instead of just about Trek), and her remarks about Abrams's weaknesses as a director are worth pondering because even if you disagree they give you another way of analyzing other films as well.
That's a pretty broad generalization, and IMHO, not a very accurate one. Confused Matthew was a bit over the top on this film no doubt, but he made some good points-that Nero's "revenge" was one of the poorest motivations for a movie character in the history of sci-fi movies, for example. Nero made Khan and Kruge look like complex, three-dimensional characters by contrast.
Just from this board and IMDB, you can find a lot of well-thought out criticism of plot holes and flaws in story logic. And to stick to fan reviews, I've seen ones that point out why they felt Kirk's character didn't work in this movie, and as one who thought they got his characterization wrong, I was glad to see that.
Any criticism of a movie you liked isn't "whining." Also, I don't see why others' criticism of a film you like should matter to you.
I think that Star Trek: Generations is a good film, and the knowledge that that's DEFINITELY a minority opinion in Trek fandom doesn't bother me.
Just from this board and IMDB, you can find a lot of well-thought out criticism of plot holes and flaws in story logic. And to stick to fan reviews, I've seen ones that point out why they felt Kirk's character didn't work in this movie, and as one who thought they got his characterization wrong, I was glad to see that.
Any criticism of a movie you liked isn't "whining." Also, I don't see why others' criticism of a film you like should matter to you.
I think that Star Trek: Generations is a good film, and the knowledge that that's DEFINITELY a minority opinion in Trek fandom doesn't bother me.
No. Some, like LeMire's, are worth reading. That was rather the point of my post.
But then, she does write - as opposed to sticking a webcam in her face and bloviating.
^ Agreed. I have spent most of the past week going through some reviews of this film, most notably the ones that were negative, to put my thoughts in reference to what I want to write. I definitely noticed that all the comments about them were rather harsh, and downright crude and condescending from fans to non fans that actually thought this movie was the greatest film that came out.
I liked ALL the past films, although Nemesis still is a sour taste, in my mouth, I still like it.
I liked ALL the past films, although Nemesis still is a sour taste, in my mouth, I still like it.
A posture of condescension on the part of the socially awkward outsider toward people and things that are mainstream and popular is something that many of us (mea culpa) adopt as an emotional defense during early adolescence...and sometimes return to under certain circumstances.
