O'k how about we go with this. The logs for Enterprise and their encounter with Borg were in the Ent D computers but Picard and co were taken to the Delta Quadrant (or close it) and he just didnt think to ask the computer if it had any record of said enemy. When Guinan said they were the Borg, he asked the computer if there was any reference to them and as they didnt announce themselves in Ent, the computer didnt know what he meant. Maybe Picard needed to ask the rigt question. Of course this still doesnt explain why there wouldnt be a record of "assimilation" in the medical records AND the knowledge that Denobulins (or was it just phlox) were resistant.Lets just say all the records were lost in the "fire" at Star Fleet. And that is a whole different story. Either way, by the end of Regeneration, the Borg were a pale comparison to the scary things they were in Q who. Borg, i might add that woulld have come AFTER the scary Q who borg.
I knew they were getting desperate when...
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Picard and Ent-D not knowing about Borg is not an ENT problem. In "Generations" we saw Starfleet rescue Borg survivors, hard to believe none of them mentioned the Borg. In VOY "Dark Frontier" episode we saw 7of9's parents go look for Borg long before Picard encountered them, with little Anika playing with a freaking Borg cube for crying out loud.
So even without the ENT episode there should have been information about Borg in the End-D computer. Even "Q who" itself is not quite consistent in that regard, as we had the bartender know all about the Borg and she had no hesitation sharing that information.
One way to rationalize it is that the info was in the computer but they just didn't specify the right search parameters (yeah it's lame but it's something). Writer Joe Menosky (who co-wrote that VOY episode) suggested that over the years Borg had become more of legend that a real threat, but he acknowledged that even in that case there should have been something in Ent-D computer. There have been other attempts at an explanation such as a cover up by section 31, or altered timelines (the second time around Picard does find some Borg info in Ent-D computer, which doesn't really change that episode much). But I like the simple lame explanation better.
As for "Regeneration", I would have preferred if Borg (and Ferengi) hadn't shown up on ENT. But I did like the episode. It was well written, exciting and with a damn good musical score (a rarity for modern Trek TV shows). And it fit within the canon well enough (at least for me).
So even without the ENT episode there should have been information about Borg in the End-D computer. Even "Q who" itself is not quite consistent in that regard, as we had the bartender know all about the Borg and she had no hesitation sharing that information.
One way to rationalize it is that the info was in the computer but they just didn't specify the right search parameters (yeah it's lame but it's something). Writer Joe Menosky (who co-wrote that VOY episode) suggested that over the years Borg had become more of legend that a real threat, but he acknowledged that even in that case there should have been something in Ent-D computer. There have been other attempts at an explanation such as a cover up by section 31, or altered timelines (the second time around Picard does find some Borg info in Ent-D computer, which doesn't really change that episode much). But I like the simple lame explanation better.
As for "Regeneration", I would have preferred if Borg (and Ferengi) hadn't shown up on ENT. But I did like the episode. It was well written, exciting and with a damn good musical score (a rarity for modern Trek TV shows). And it fit within the canon well enough (at least for me).
Regeneration was a good story, so I didn't care if it wrecked TNG continuity. When I watch TNG eps, I don't think, day-um, it makes no sense now. But I can see why it would bug people--Sela completely wrecked Yesterday's Enterprise for me. Can't even watch YE, I'm so disgusted. That means I have to stop lecturing people about being hung up on continuity...
Cool - nice that Mike showed up. Welcome and hide your eyes. I didn't like Regeneration. (Sorry -- if you read anyway.)
Yeah, Season 4 was disappointing (and showed some desperation). It started bad, but had a few good episodes -- like the Vulcan arc.
Yeah, Season 4 was disappointing (and showed some desperation). It started bad, but had a few good episodes -- like the Vulcan arc.
O'k they were in the Alpha quadrant. That really doesn't make any difference to what i wrote though.
Didn't that score kick ass? We were lucky to get Brian Tyler to compose the episode -- he's pretty much moved on to feature film composing these days. I think 'Regeneration' may have been one of his last tv scores. For me, his music really helped deliver on the menace and dread of the Borg. It's right up there with Goldsmith's work in 'First Contact.' IMHO.
Great link, excellent responses from MS. Still, the question is when did you think the producers started getting desperate? It must have been before season 4. When i 1st saw Regeneration i just thought, "They're in trouble". I thought the same thing when they brought the Borg and 7of9 out at end of season 3 of Voy. Figure it worked then, maybe it will work on Ent. Sadly, it didn't and i only have 4 seasons to talk about instead of 7.
This hardcore TOS fan (For me TOS is #1 followed by ENT at #2) COMPLETELY disagrees. I thought season 4 was some of the best Star Trek since the first season of TOS. I thouht it tied in very well to TOS and even later Star Trek 'lore; and I liked the fact that you could follow the stories even if you had never seen Star Trek before (with the possible exception of In A Mirror Darkly - which was just a 100% - 'Here's a couple for the old fans among you'.
).But season 4 had everything - tie ins to later series; 'Federation building'; a reason WHY the Romulans would target Earth; and hell, even a Earth population that was experiencing growing pains in dealing with and accepting extra-terrestrials. IMO - ENT Season 4 was fantastis, and I wish they'd at least had gotten one more season under Coto and the writing staff he assembled.
Agreed.
Here's a link to the original review, for anyone who needs/wants context:
http://www.unitedworlds.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16735
Captain X said:
Should've put them on a website.
They are on a website.
Except for the ones that some hacker hacked into and deleted.
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