I just saw the new trailer! (Spoilers? Well, yes!)

[Captain X]

Still doesn't change the fact that it wasn't a "Starfleet Decision." He just decided at the whim.

Still doesn't change the fact that it's an apples and oranges comparison.

In the loophole of things, he was qualified. He was a first officer.

Kirk isn't qualified to be first officer to begin with, or in the chain of command at all.

One possibly qualified, the other perhaps not.

Kim should have been promoted, but he was still serving as the senior operations officer, and he also served as officer of the watch on several occasions, so he was qualified more than Kirk as a cadet could ever be.

Does it sound like the Enterprise gets blown up at the end of the movie?

That's why we call such things contrived.

Oh please give me a break. It's ONLY A MOVIE people. ONLY A MOVIE.

OMG! Really?

Stop making judgements on something that you HAVENT EVEN SEEN yet
and you DONT KNOW THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THE THINGS YOU HAVE SEEN ARE IN!!

SHOUTING DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT I'M COMMENTING ON WHAT I'VE SEEN AND MAKING MY OWN PREDICTIONS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!!!!11!!oneone

I am perfectly okay with opinions and judgements made about something once you have actually seen it, but it's like making a judgement about a book from reading the jacket description.

Actually it's like saying a cadet isn't qualified to command a ship, which is true.

We know Kirk is graduated by the time he gets on the Enterprise. But he was denied a post on a starship based on his little test stunt. Which kind of places him in limbo, at least until Pike offers him a spot on the command center.

You can graduate and not get a commission, it actually happened to a friend of mine in AFROTC. Graduating doesn't make him an ensign, he need to have the commission, and the way it sounds they weren't going to let him do that.

I'm sure it'll make sense enough.

About as much as the usual cliched and contrived explanations I'm sure.

Uhura, Chekov, McCoy and Sulu all graduate at pretty much the same time as Kirk, so none of them are more experienced.

Do we know this for sure? In any case the others at least have their commissions and are within the chain of command. And McCoy would be senior thanks to being a doctor, which means eight years of education as opposed to four.

There's nothing to indicate that any other more experienced command people are still alive by the time Kirk sits in the chair.

Except that ships usually have them, not to mention all the uniformed officers present just on the bridge during that scene.

Hold on a moment... (no spoiler tags here since I may only be speculating)

From what I've seen and read so far, I was led to believe the Academy scenes took place during graduation ceremonies. Wouldn't that mean that Kirk is no longer a cadet, but an ensign? Also, it would seem that McCoy is graduating at the same time as Kirk, which means he would be the exact same rank, along with Chekov and Sulu and possibly even Uhura. (Click on the pic below to see what I mean.)



Also, from what's been rumored, later on aboard the Enterprise, an explosion happens in Sickbay that effectively places McCoy in charge as CMO. Considering the situation they're embroiled in, the command chair wouldn't be the wisest place to put McCoy at that time. With Pike dead or missing, and Spock persona non grata, who does that leave? Why, the only ranking officer trained for command, of course...Kirk.

So, the argument that Kirk can't take command as a cadet is rendered moot because he's not a cadet anymore; he's an Ensign, the same rank as all the other bridge crew present at the change in command. And why put someone like McCoy or Sulu in command when they're needed for the duties they're assigned to? It's not like they have junior officers who can take their places; they ARE the junior officers.

Except everything said by TPTB indicate that Kirk is still a cadet at the time this stuff takes place, and is therefore not qualified to command the ship, while there are other officers on board who should be already in the chain of command.

Captain Tim Waters, USS Valiant.

Notice that there were only cadets left on board, and that as Nog came aboard, he actually should've taken command of the ship and taken it back into Federation space. He didn't - look what happened.

He has any much experience as all the other fresh-out-of-the-academy people on board. McCoy is a medical officer and totally unsuited for command. Kirk has more raw ability than any other available.

What about all the other officers on that ship? And not having a commission would disqualify him for command, sorry.

...and again, I stress that the ONLY reason he's a cadet (before Pike promotes him to XO) is because of the Kobayashi Maru - a test he took three times and only "cheated" on during his final attempt. He's cadet status is purely officious. He's had as much training as any of the others. The only thing he's lacking is a rubber stamp, which Pike gives him.

It still wouldn't matter if he's still a cadet. In addition to that, he has the disciplinary action being taken against him, which doesn't exactly work in his favor.

Please refrain from posting stupid pictures accusing others of trolling.

If the shoe fits... Besides, it's not like anyone but Akiraprise does anything anyway.

By all means, state your opinions, but please refrain from posting crudely-conceived taunting pictures which only serve to make your already-tantrumlike behavior more obvious.

Since you see fit to ignore actual trolling, your response to my cheeky and fun memes is that much more amusing. That being said:

And it's "saith", btw (if you're looking for the appropriately Bible-English third person singular present tense of the verb "say"; zingers are always much better when you don't sabotage yourself by misspelling them.)

Yes, I made a typo, how horrible

Of course the point still stands.

 

[Captain X]

I'm referring to sheer quantity of posting, how the biggest hater here is giving stj a run for his money, spending all his time on volumes of anti-Trek posts for something allegedly not worth wasting his time on.

Gee, I don't know who you could be talking about, since I'm not a hater and I'm not anti-Trek. I'm just being critical of this movie and my "volumes" of posts are elaborating my reasons for being critical.

 

[Aragorn]

So again I ask, what exactly is the difference between you, Captain X, and say... MattJC, Captain Robert April, BigC and friends?

 

[QuasarVM]

Best. Trailer. Ev-AH!!!!

For ANY Star Trek film.

ILM appears to have raised the bar with this one.

This film is going to be quite the spectacle on the IMAX screen!

Can't wait, baybeeee!!!!

 

[Captain X]

So again I ask, what exactly is the difference between you, Captain X, and say... MattJC, Captain Robert April, BigC and friends?

My sense of humor. Oh that and I've never accused JJ of raping my childhood. Not that any of that matters. More appropriate would be to ask what the difference between "teh h473rs" and yourself might be, other than what side of the debate you're on, naturally.

 

[CaptainWacky]

That's the best trailer I've seen since...well, the Watchmen one probably. Really good though!

 

[DaveyNY]

So again I ask, what exactly is the difference between you, Captain X, and say... MattJC, Captain Robert April, BigC and friends?

..Now do you see what I mean about Throwin' Gas On The FIRE!


"...feed the birds, tuppence a bag.... tuppence, tuppence..., tuppence a bag..."

 

[Kemaiku]

1. If the Kelvin had 800 crew aboard, and the Enterprise is considerably larger and even only partly crewed in the emergency, say 1000 people, how in the fucking hell does a Cadet out of uniform skip the several hundred other people on board better qualified to take that chair than him?, you know couple of hundred or so Lieutenants they always seem to have.

2. The planet appears to be Vulcan, but look to the horizon on the right, I see bluish sky...but on the other hand the Spock/Uhura hug is more than likely her attempt to comfort him after loosing his homeworld.

3. The Narada travels tentacles/quills forward. More Squid (travels tentacles outstretched) than Octopus (tentacles dragging behind).

4. The saucer the Enterprise encounters is about a third larger than hers, but of the older hull design like the Kelvins, an intermediate design with a larger saucer than both?

5. I still like the Kelvin much better.

 

[blockaderunner]

After seeing that trailer, I can see why it was moved. It's fantastic! All you haters are now obsolete. Kindly go back and watch your TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT DVD's while the rest of us in the real world go to the theaters this May to watch Trek grow and evolve for another 40 years.

 

[ancient]

I'm pretty sure Kirk is at least a Lt. when he gets command. Any nameless background officers that are higher ranked, more experienced, and command-track are probably killed off or injured by that point. We still aren't sure exactly how many casualties the Enterprise has by that point.

Concerning the following IMG, are we seeing a second or axillary shuttle-bay? (not that I am complaining, I think it's a good idea)

http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/bmzqogjv/thumb/Trailer3_Frame3241.png

I dunno about a shuttle bay... maybe cargo doors or something. There does seem to be a bit of an undercut within the undercut of the fantail... you can see it in the next scene showing the Enterprise from below, too.

A cargo bay is logical, I suppose.

The TOS Ent had 5 hatches on the bottom of the engine hull and in the cutaway portion.

 

[DaveyNY]

After seeing that trailer, I can see why it was moved. It's fantastic! All you haters are now obsolete. Kindly go back and watch your TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT DVD's while the rest of us in the real world go to the theaters this May to watch Trek grow and evolve for another 40 years.

So ends the 'raspberry-on-you' sermon for the day!

 

[Captain X]

After seeing that trailer, I can see why it was moved. It's fantastic! All you haters are now obsolete. Kindly go back and watch your TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT DVD's while the rest of us in the real world go to the theaters this May to watch Trek grow and evolve for another 40 years.

*snerk*

I'm pretty sure Kirk is at least a Lt.

At least as speculative as the idea that he'd still be a cadet, and at most a very green ensign.

when he gets command. Any nameless background officers that are higher ranked, more experienced, and command-track are probably killed off or injured by that point. We still aren't sure exactly how many casualties the Enterprise has by that point.

We actually see the other officers on the bridge during the scene though, and the bridge doesn't look in particularly bad shape. So if there are that many on the bridge, how many are on the rest of the ship? Oh, I'm sure they'll contrive a reason to get him in the big chair, because he's just "supposed" to be, even if as Nero points out that was in another universe. Of course any explanation they come up with will still be contrived because of how they set up the story.

 

[Aragorn]

After seeing that trailer, I can see why it was moved. It's fantastic! All you haters are now obsolete. Kindly go back and watch your TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT DVD's while the rest of us in the real world go to the theaters this May to watch Trek grow and evolve for another 40 years.

I think the VOY fans will feel confused by this movie if the timeline isn't restored in the final 30 seconds by reversing the polarity on the transwarp antimatter array to create an inverse singularity in the space-time continuum.

 

[guardian]

Why are people at the trekmovie site saying the movie has been announced at 2 hours and 20 minutes?

where is that from? Did anybody in the know make that statement?

 

[The Habs Fan]

After seeing that trailer, I can see why it was moved. It's fantastic! All you haters are now obsolete. Kindly go back and watch your TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT DVD's while the rest of us in the real world go to the theaters this May to watch Trek grow and evolve for another 40 years.

I think the VOY fans will feel confused by this movie if the timeline isn't restored in the final 30 seconds by reversing the polarity on the transwarp antimatter array to create an inverse singularity in the space-time continuum.

And the ENT fans will be confused if alien Nazis don't show up.

 

[The Habs Fan]

Why are people at the trekmovie site saying the movie has been announced at 2 hours and 20 minutes?

where is that from? Did anybody in the know make that statement?

Trekmovie is saying that the runtime is NOT 140 minutes but is 126 minutes.

 

[Captain X]

And the Abrams fans will be confused if Sidney doesn't show up to kill the Cloverfield monster after reading about it in a text from the middle ages.

 

[Balrog]

After seeing that trailer, I can see why it was moved. It's fantastic! All you haters are now obsolete. Kindly go back and watch your TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT DVD's while the rest of us in the real world go to the theaters this May to watch Trek grow and evolve for another 40 years.

I think the VOY fans will feel confused by this movie if the timeline isn't restored in the final 30 seconds by reversing the polarity on the transwarp antimatter array to create an inverse singularity in the space-time continuum.

And so will Brannon Braga. ("You mean you don't HAVE to reset every plot point in the script back to the way it was at the beginning? Interesting...")

 

[btflash]

Honestly, that's how the destruction of the planet looked in the trailer.

i think it looks a "little" better than that!

 

[DaveyNY]

Honestly, that's how the destruction of the planet looked in the trailer.

i think it looks a "little" better than that!

Yeah...

This one is in Living Color!!!
(cue the peacock)