I just rented star trek 1-4 today for the first time. I hope they are as good as everyone has made them out to be. That all i got going this weekend.
I have got quite a weekend ahead of me
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You will discover that The Wrath of Khan was a direct repudiation of everything about the first film, except for the reuse of a few effects shots. TWOK is written as if the first movie never took place: Kirk is in a desk job at the start of each. (Having seen the last half of the first film by chance on commercial TV today, for the first time in many years, I can fully understand why they wanted to start over; I think you will, too.)
I saw all these movies during their original release, and one fact not much known today is that TWOK was not originally released as "Star Trek II"; that is, there was no "II" in the original theatrical prints, nor in any of the ads before it opened. It's regrettable that even in the Director's Cut of the DVD, the "II" that was added for the first home-video release in the 1980s still appears in the opening titles. The "II" belongs on this film as much as the name "Ronald Reagan" belongs on Washington (DC) National Airport.
I saw all these movies during their original release, and one fact not much known today is that TWOK was not originally released as "Star Trek II"; that is, there was no "II" in the original theatrical prints, nor in any of the ads before it opened. It's regrettable that even in the Director's Cut of the DVD, the "II" that was added for the first home-video release in the 1980s still appears in the opening titles. The "II" belongs on this film as much as the name "Ronald Reagan" belongs on Washington (DC) National Airport.
I like how you guys tell him what he will think about the movies. 
Star Trek XI wasn't the only time the movie franchise was rebooted.
I like how you guys tell him what he will think about the movies.
Well, it was probably worth warning him that the later films are very different from the first one.
I remember seeing that in the theater in 1982. It was a one time thing and I remember also being surprised when the "II" was on the VHS release we saw a couple of years later. My best friend who was sitting right beside me on both viewings claims that I am lying. You'd think he'd know the history since KHAN is his favorite of the Star Trek movies.
Of course, both of us were only 12 at the time, so maybe his memory just isn't as good as mine.
I like how you guys tell him what he will think about the movies.
Well, it was probably worth warning him that the later films are very different from the first one.
You don't trust him he's able to figure that out all by himself, eh?
Totally disagree, TMP is a magnificent, captivating, awe-inspiring science fiction movie. It looks beautiful, has one of Goldsmith's finest scores and is a wonderful odyssey. It is slow/medium paced, but slow/medium does not equal bad - it's actually quite refreshing to just sit and appreciate such a finely crafted piece.
Get the Blu-ray, turn the lights off, pump up the sound, no distractions and immerse yourself in this outstanding film.
I like how you guys tell him what he will think about the movies.
Well, it was probably worth warning him that the later films are very different from the first one.
You don't trust him he's able to figure that out all by himself, eh?
But what if he didn't like TMP and figured the rest were more of the same? Be a shame if he missed out on KHAN and THE VOYAGE HOME because TMP didn't work for him.
(That's not a slam on TMP, but it's not very representative of what the later films in the series are like.)
He already rented all 4, so that would be his problem then. 
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Considering how many "fans" write off an entire series or film franchise based on one episode or one film it seems a sensible word of advice.He already rented all 4, so that would be his problem then.
I would never pick a fight with Lokai, of course, but the problems with the pacing of TMP (e.g., reaction shots of the crew gaping at the viewscreen) were obviously acknowledged by the director himself, else there'd be no Special Edition. Nor were some effects shots complete in time for the 7 Dec 79 release date (too long a story to get into here), which the DE also addresses.
If Paramount could have postponed the release date to make these tweaks in '79, perhaps TMP would have been considered a success by more of the fans who had waited so long for it and (despite their disappointment) saw it more than once in the theater, as I did. The good things about it were indeed the visuals and music - surely not the script.
If Paramount could have postponed the release date to make these tweaks in '79, perhaps TMP would have been considered a success by more of the fans who had waited so long for it and (despite their disappointment) saw it more than once in the theater, as I did. The good things about it were indeed the visuals and music - surely not the script.
Update. I *didnt* cry at the end of The Wrath of Khan. Did Like the first one too. Going to watch 3 + 4 later.
It wasn't just added for the video release. The initial prints omitted the II, but later prints included it. It had a II when I saw the film late in the summer.
I had no idea that "II" was added to prints during the original theatrical release - I wonder how much that cost?
As for the ads: I very definitely saw, a week before TWOK's release, a costly four-page advertisement in People that did not use the "II" anywhere. Can't find it online, unfortunately.
The only other related item of interest I can think of: In north Philadelphia, the Esquire theater on Broad Street just north of Olney (a shoe store these days, I think) showed TWOK first run, and the only actors' names on the marquee were
I always loved that; wish I'd photographed it.
As for the ads: I very definitely saw, a week before TWOK's release, a costly four-page advertisement in People that did not use the "II" anywhere. Can't find it online, unfortunately.
The only other related item of interest I can think of: In north Philadelphia, the Esquire theater on Broad Street just north of Olney (a shoe store these days, I think) showed TWOK first run, and the only actors' names on the marquee were
Paul Winfield
Bibi Besch
Bibi Besch
I always loved that; wish I'd photographed it.
So I guess Star Trek: Generations, Star Trek: First Contact, Star Trek: Insurrection and Star Trek: Nemesis have all been intended as if the previous movies didn't take place because they didn't include the number in the titles.
I thought the "Episode IV" subtitle wasn't included until STAR WARS was re-issued. It seems like the prints of STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN had the roman numeral added early on in its first run.
