I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan story?

[Tarek71]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

Those torpedos all had bodies inside them, but did they have actual functional warheads?

Khan obviously cared for his own people but did he just shove them all into those torpedoes and keep the warheads on them as well?

If that latter is true then maybe he was a bit more wackadoodle then I gave him credit for.

Also while we are at it, while I love this movie and the 2009 movie to bits I did feel a huge WTF? kind of moment when watching it in that why did they rehash the whole Khan story?

What was the point or need to rehash it? Are they going to redo all the old movies to fit in the new timeline, not that I'd complain, I'll probably see them but I just thought surely there must be 100s of new ideas they could have come up with.

Many of the same threats should still show up, Khan included. V'Ger and the planet killer are on their way and someone will have to deal with them. Not to mention nutcases like Trelane.

Khan is a classic Trek villain, and I certainly dont mind him making an appearence. No space seed planted this time, but he and his crew are still alive, unlike at the end of TWOK, so we might see him or crew again.

I dont know how many NuTOS films will be made, but I dont mind seeing new takes on classic villains and characters.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

Those torpedos all had bodies inside them, but did they have actual functional warheads?

Khan obviously cared for his own people but did he just shove them all into those torpedoes and keep the warheads on them as well?

If that latter is true then maybe he was a bit more wackadoodle then I gave him credit for.

Also while we are at it, while I love this movie and the 2009 movie to bits I did feel a huge WTF? kind of moment when watching it in that why did they rehash the whole Khan story?

What was the point or need to rehash it? Are they going to redo all the old movies to fit in the new timeline, not that I'd complain, I'll probably see them but I just thought surely there must be 100s of new ideas they could have come up with.

Many of the same threats should still show up, Khan included. V'Ger and the planet killer are on their way and someone will have to deal with them. Not to mention nutcases like Trelane.

Khan is a classic Trek villain, and I certainly dont mind him making an appearence. No space seed planted this time, but he and his crew are still alive, unlike at the end of TWOK, so we might see him or crew again.

I dont know how many NuTOS films will be made, but I dont mind seeing new takes on classic villains and characters.

I'm kind of down with that. OK I wonder if we'll see George And Gracie again then too?

Or prime universe Kirk meets New Kirk

 

[F. King Daniel]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

Or some modern re-imagined Borg

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

Or some modern re-imagined Borg

I thought there was rumours of the Borg in the next movie....

Thinking about it now George and Gracie might be fun. Maybe put the whales in a tank next to the warp core Hell they have huge glass water pipes on the ship.

 

[Tarek71]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

Or some modern re-imagined Borg

Sure. Enterprise established the Borg sending a signal to the delta quadrant in the 22nd Century. IIRC it was supposed to take approx 200 years to reach the Delta Quadrant, but any random Borg ship in another quadrant could pick up that signal alot sooner. Maybe in the 2260s. It wouldn't be hard after that for a Borg ship to make the trip.

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

... huge glass water pipes...

You mean "huge glass inert reactant pipes," don't you?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

... huge glass water pipes...

You mean "huge glass inert reactant pipes," don't you?

Looked like water pipes when Scotty was inside one of them. And about to be hit by a turbine.. I know that was all for laughs and stuff but seriously that thing is in the ship...

 

[martok2112]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

... huge glass water pipes...

You mean "huge glass inert reactant pipes," don't you?

Looked like water pipes when Scotty was inside one of them. And about to be hit by a turbine.. I know that was all for laughs and stuff but seriously that thing is in the ship...

In the old Batcave it would be the "clearly marked water dispenser".

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

You mean "huge glass inert reactant pipes," don't you?

Looked like water pipes when Scotty was inside one of them. And about to be hit by a turbine.. I know that was all for laughs and stuff but seriously that thing is in the ship...

In the old Batcave it would be the "clearly marked water dispenser".

In the Batcave they probably would have called it the Batwater Dispenser

Speaking of bats there is a Toyota ad here in Australia where they do the bat signal only it's a Toyota logo.

 

[The Wormhole]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

I thought there was rumours of the Borg in the next movie....

To my knowledge, there have been no actual rumours, though the Borg remain a popular fan theory for the next movie. And to be honest, I'll be surprised if the movie isn't about the Borg.

 

[Lance]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

One issue with Into Darkness is Star Trek: Nemesis was basically a poor rewrite of Wrath of Khan, giving us two rewrites separated by a single movie. Then there is the to close to the original mirroring of the "KHAAAN!" scene in Into Darkness. Trying yet again at it, and the nostalgia pleased me as much as it disappointed me. Over all I think both drag a bit to heavily on the film. Those elements which are original are the starts of good ideas, but don't have the needed follow through. Without that, it makes the reuse of the Khan set of ideas kind of pointless.

I think it's widely accepted that, as cool as it is/was, TWOK created an albatross about the neck of successive Trek movies. This was never more evident than in NEM and STiD.

The "KHAAAAAAAAN!" scene was in my view playing more to the internet meme than it was to the actual original scene from TWOK. I know people who *loved* that scene in STiD, simply because they recognised the internet meme and it was all like the punchline to a joke for them. Personally I thought it was inappropriate to the movie, and especially inappropriate for the character screaming it. But, if it got a few chuckles out of the non-fans watching in the audience, then it did it's job.

To my knowledge, there have been no actual rumours, though the Borg remain a popular fan theory for the next movie. And to be honest, I'll be surprised if the movie isn't about the Borg.

Indeed. The marketing strategy is all about using recognisable 'icons' that Joe Average in the audience might recognise. Hence, Khan being wheeled out. I'm not so sure I'd say for certain that the Borg will be in the movie (more than likely it'll just be the Klingons... again), but I wouldn't place a bet against their appearance either.

 

[The Wormhole]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

^^Thing is, if you follow the idea that any storyline which gets used in the comics won't be used for the movie, than that leaves the Borg as the only possibility for Beyond, since every other idea people suggest for the movie has already been done in the comics. The only one which hasn't been done is the Borg. That's what puts me firmly in the Borg camp.

 

[Kruezerman]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

They used Klingons multiple times before Into Darkness, yet they appeared heavily in the film.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

But how could you make the Borg new and yet keep them the same? Could they be made a bit more scary?

 

[Kruezerman]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

Hell yeah. A Star Trek horror movie? I can dig it. A Borg that's an actual mystery in their structure and design.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

Rehashing Khan isn't, like, even a tenth as crazy on paper as it is to some of Trek's fans. I think Lindelof, et al were looking at the success the superhero boom has had with psyching fandoms up for "reimaginings" of their childhood favorite faces, and I was eager to see nuTrek's rendition of Khan for that same mentality despite never even having been a big fan of the original Khan in the first place. I am 100% aboard with the idea of nuTrek flicks every couple of years that take Primeverse story arcs and recreate them within a new framework.

But it seems like I'm practically the only person who would be satisfied with that. Whereas comic culture has embraced this style and revels in guessing games of who's going to be who in upcoming projects, space opera culture seems vehemently opposed to it. It's kind of a shame, because I'd love to revel like those comic folks do, but I'm not a big superhero kind of guy.

Should Trek boldly go where it hasn't gone before? Totally, but just the same, I'd kill to see a nuTrek Chang and a nuTrek Cardassia and a nuTrek EMH. A mixture of both would be sweet. Obviously none of that is TOS, except Chang, but yeah. Over time. A shared universe. Y'all know the drill.

 

[Kruezerman]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

Because Star Trek is above such plebian tropes and something something human evolution blah blah GENE'S VISION!

Basically science fiction is supposed to be pretentiousness wrapped around a pretty face.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

It's really weird, but somehow, despite all the pristine tomsnobbery, CBS still just is not interested in doing a new show.

 

[Kruezerman]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

It needs more "plot"

GENE'S VISION!!1

 

[The Wormhole]

Re: I have a question about those torpedoes and why rehash the Khan st

They used Klingons multiple times before Into Darkness, yet they appeared heavily in the film.

Prior to STID Klingons only appeared three times in the comics:

-The Tribble story, though there it's only their communications that the characters overhear.
-The MU story, though there they are in the MU, obviously.
-The Countdown to Darkness story, which was specifically meant to set things up for STID.

So no, the comics didn't really do anything with the Klingons before STID.