I have a bit of a problem with La'an being bullied (And Spock in st2009)

[Mudd]

Spock shows in "All Our Yesterdays" that eating meat is philosophically objectionable to him. McCoy evinces no such hesitation. He does, however, have a distaste for reconstituted food ("Arena").

Really, there's nothing in TOS suggesting that humans don't eat meat.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Don't forget the turkeys in (if memory serves) "Charlie X."
Or has somebody else already brought them up?

 

[Farscape One]

I think the line was the crewman put meatloaf in the oven and real turkeys came out instead, obviously because of Charlie.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Not just any meatloaf. It was a callback to an earlier line about synthetic meatloaf.

Ironically, I now regularly cook a turkey loaf.

 

[fireproof78]

What about Kirk's chicken sandwich?

 

[cooleddie74]

Scotty in TOS jokes about Kirk, Spock and McCoy wasting time in the galley getting some haggis so I guess that could imply that meat-based foods are still synthesized or cooked aboard TOS Era Starfleet ships.

 

[trekfan_1]

As some have pointed out, Spock was depicted as being bullied way way before 2009 and SNW production. Yesteryear was even written by a mainstay TOS writter.... back in the *70s* .

Belanna Torres was bullied as a child by human kids for being part Klingon. And that was in Star Trek's *24th* century. There are quite a few examples throughout Trek.

Opinions on whether this depiction is believable for the future may vary but one thing is certain - it is clearly NOT a "modern" Star Trek take.

This thread arguably deserves to be in General Trek more than SNW forum.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

This is Gene's "perfect people" crap that he insisted on in early TNG that was fortunately jettisoned pretty quickly. Even if we eliminate things like war and poverty some people still won't get along and kids will be kids and pick on each other.

And yes, it did seem pretty clear they still ate real meat on TOS although that obviously changed for TNG.

 

[Imaus]

This is Gene's "perfect people" crap that he insisted on in early TNG that was fortunately jettisoned pretty quickly. Even if we eliminate things like war and poverty some people still won't get along and kids will be kids and pick on each other.

And yes, it did seem pretty clear they still ate real meat on TOS although that obviously changed for TNG.

With mass-produced factory meat, there's honestly no difference.

The gist I got from trek, even TOS, was that it was all made on the ship. They wouldn't say no to butchered meat if offered, but the ship had great recycling systems and synthesis and it came out fat and all. Bone might not be an option, however.... But Kirk could probably had all the chicken sandwiches and coffee he wanted on plates of bejeweled gold.

A post nuclear humanity will suffer a glut of meat, no question there. Our factory production cannot survive a nuclear war, and most people will be grateful for a monthly or quarterly chicken on top of year old grain bread. But we're on track to have electrified urban farming and at least batches of semi-regular grown meat, and I would imagine ww3 would also inspire a bigger survivalist and home-gardening/homesteading movement just to have those chickens around until the governments got enough of a handle on things to restart bigger scale food production.... By the 2100 era, 260, the implication was, again, you'll have to go out of your way to find something raised and butchered than grown in 1000 tonne vats.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

With mass-produced factory meat, there's honestly no difference.

The gist I got from trek, even TOS, was that it was all made on the ship. They wouldn't say no to butchered meat if offered, but the ship had great recycling systems and synthesis and it came out fat and all. Bone might not be an option, however.... But Kirk could probably had all the chicken sandwiches and coffee he wanted on plates of bejeweled gold.

A post nuclear humanity will suffer a glut of meat, no question there. Our factory production cannot survive a nuclear war, and most people will be grateful for a monthly or quarterly chicken on top of year old grain bread. But we're on track to have electrified urban farming and at least batches of semi-regular grown meat, and I would imagine ww3 would also inspire a bigger survivalist and home-gardening/homesteading movement just to have those chickens around until the governments got enough of a handle on things to restart bigger scale food production.... By the 2100 era, 260, the implication was, again, you'll have to go out of your way to find something raised and butchered than grown in 1000 tonne vats.

Yes, I'd imagine most of what they ate on TOS was synthetic from the "food dispensers" since they were way out there on their own. As other people have talked about the Charlie episode is what makes me say that. The implication was that he created real turkey which is why everyone was so surprised, there'd be no "miracle" otherwise. And they didn't turn their noses up at it so that must mean it was still eaten on Earth at the time.

 

[Tuskin38]

And yes, it did seem pretty clear they still ate real meat on TOS although that obviously changed for TNG.

O'Brien said his mother cooked using real meat.

It's probably still a personal choice, meat eating hasn't been banned.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

O'Brien in TNG said his mother cooked using real meat.

Was that early in the show? Picard pretty definitively says "We no longer enslave animals" at one point talking to an alien about humanity. As much as some fans want there to be "continuity" there are just blatant inconsistencies with a lot of this stuff.

 

[Tuskin38]

Was that early in the show? Picard pretty definitively says "We no longer enslave animals" at one point talking to an alien about humanity. As much as some fans want there to be "continuity" there are just blatant inconsistencies with a lot of this stuff.

Season 4, The Wounded

O'BRIEN: Oh, you'll love it, I promise. I can still remember the aromas when my mother was cooking.
KEIKO: She cooked?
O'BRIEN: She didn't believe in a replicator. She thought real food was more nutritious.
KEIKO: She handled real meat? She touched it and cut it?
O'BRIEN: Yeah, like a master chef. She was fantastic. Of course, I'll have to use the replicator, but I'll make something special for you tonight. You'll love it, I promise.

It could have been lab grown meat. Real, but not carved from an animal.

However, Picard himself kept fresh caviar on the Enterprise (Season 3 - Sins of the Father). I mean you don't have enslave fish to get their eggs, but still.

Riker made omelets using non-replicated eggs he acquired from a starbase(Season 2 - Time Squared)

 

[Lord Hierarch]

Its all free range. Set aside a continent or a planet for the animals to live long and healthy lives. Then lead them to the butcher.

If 1 planet can set aside tons of food for meat for 8 billion people, I'm sure a few dozen planets set aside for meaaaat can do it.

Also other planets probably have their own policies. I suspect Picard is talking about humans in his spiel. And being the speciesest* he is, he associates humanity as The Federation.

* Spl and /s.