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I Hate The Klingon Race

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Let's have the whole movie be about exploration. Just cruising around, looking at stuff and making logs about it.
There could be mid movie, a sensor glitch in one of the dyno-scanners.

The girls will be screaming in the aisles.

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Don't even get me started on the Xindi. You could have replaced them with the Romulans and it wouldn't have changed a damn thing.
No. The Xindi were an interesting, multifaceted, multispecies cooperative. The Romulans are cardboard villains with identikit idiotic bowl cuts and embarrassing shoulder pads.

I was bored with Enterprise and stopped watching it before the Xindi came along, so I can't comment on them, but I agree with you about the Romulans. They were awesome in the original series, and they were mysterious enough in TNG's earliest seasons to hold my interest then, too, but TNG gradually made them moustache-twirling, black hat-wearing and boring villains. The coolest thing about the TNG-era Romulans was Andrew Probert's still-amazing design for the Romulan D'Deridex Warbird.
 
Don't even get me started on the Xindi. You could have replaced them with the Romulans and it wouldn't have changed a damn thing.
No. The Xindi were an interesting, multifaceted, multispecies cooperative. The Romulans are cardboard villains with identikit idiotic bowl cuts and embarrassing shoulder pads.

I agree with this, the Xindi were excellent. Interesting history (with one of their species extinct), factional discords, bound together. Very well done and would be very happy to see more of them or read some Xindi trek-lit.

I think DS9 dropped the ball on Romulans. It did give us a highly intelligent, given to machinations and philosophy race that managed to intrigue, repulse and stir up our sympathies. The Cardassians. The Romulans could have been all that but they were came across more as bureaucrats.
 
The Xindi were tedious garbage

Fixed that for you...

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The bias in your bost is obvious to such a degree so as to make your credibility on the matter non-existent, Relayer1.

Tongue in cheek statement !

I must admit though, whilst quite liking Enterprise (especially season 4) I found both the Xindi and Temporal Cold War arcs awful...

If that makes me biased, I suppose I am guilty...
 
It's not that I can't stand Klingons, but that I am disappointed that we didn't get to see all aspects of the race. Television depiction was rather one-sided. I think Trek lit has done a better job at giving us a fuller perspective.

But that's the inherent problem with almost any sci-fi show: the alien races are depicted as being pretty much homogeneous and singular of culture, as opposed to the real-life human race.

Great point. I suppose it's a concession to dramatic license. Keeps things simpler for the strories. But I guess in a series there should be plenty of time to explore the diversity.
 
They say the brightest lights have the darkest shadows, the UFP is the light and the Klingon Empire is the shadow.

This just makes them sound even more boring. Let's have the someone lurking in the grey, Section 31 will do.

I'm sure "someone lurking in the grey" was interesting a decade ago but after 10 years of being forced to swallow gratuitous moral ambiguity, it's become tedious at best.

I've become as bored with the Klingons in STAR TREK as I've become of the Daleks in DOCTOR WHO. Enough already.

Is there any alternative to the Klingons? What would get more viewers: the well-established Klingons or Generic Villain Race #8 who we have never seen before and will never see again?

An alternative what, exactly? Recurring adversarial species? Why is one needed at all?

Because without one we'd be plagued by a continuing cavalcade of negative space wedgies, holodeck malfunctions, and whatever the hell Star Trek: TMP was supposed to be.

Don't even get me started on the Xindi. You could have replaced them with the Romulans and it wouldn't have changed a damn thing.
No. The Xindi were an interesting, multifaceted, multispecies cooperative. The Romulans are cardboard villains with identikit idiotic bowl cuts and embarrassing shoulder pads.

The same characterization that went into the Xindi could have easily been put into the Romulans, we didn't need to reinvent the wheel. If they had used the Romulans, we wouldn't be left wondering why the Xindi apparently dropped off the face of the Alpha Quadrant.

Let's have the whole movie be about exploration. Just cruising around, looking at stuff and making logs about it.

In other words, Star Trek:The Motion Picture.
 
No. The Xindi were an interesting, multifaceted, multispecies cooperative. The Romulans are cardboard villains with identikit idiotic bowl cuts and embarrassing shoulder pads.

The same characterization that went into the Xindi could have easily been put into the Romulans, we didn't need to reinvent the wheel. If they had used the Romulans, we wouldn't be left wondering why the Xindi apparently dropped off the face of the Alpha Quadrant.
That's an interesting point. Had it been the Romulans that attacked Earth in 2153, that could have been the first shot in what would have ultimately have been the Romulan Wars.
 
No. The Xindi were an interesting, multifaceted, multispecies cooperative. The Romulans are cardboard villains with identikit idiotic bowl cuts and embarrassing shoulder pads.

The same characterization that went into the Xindi could have easily been put into the Romulans, we didn't need to reinvent the wheel. If they had used the Romulans, we wouldn't be left wondering why the Xindi apparently dropped off the face of the Alpha Quadrant.
That's an interesting point. Had it been the Romulans that attacked Earth in 2153, that could have been the first shot in what would have ultimately have been the Romulan Wars.

Exactly! We would have had everything that was good about season 3 and at the same time make it more friendly with continuity and more a part of the wider Star Trek continuum.
 
If they did that, then they'd just get complaints over how the "messed up" the Romulans since nothing ever says they attacked Earth directly. Or some other silly minor thing that would piss someone off.
 
No one said Earth wasn't attacked in the Romulan War, but haters gonna hate no matter what you do.
 
Anyways, I can't stand Klingons. Every episode featuring a Klingon 98% of the time shows them as drunken thugs spouting about honour, victory and glory. They happily threaten people with violence all the time even when it's uncalled for and brandish knifes and weapons like it's a new ipod.

My god

Klingons are bogans!!
 
If they did that, then they'd just get complaints over how the "messed up" the Romulans since nothing ever says they attacked Earth directly. Or some other silly minor thing that would piss someone off.

Actually DS9 kind of implied that the Romulans did attack Earth at some point during the Romulan War.
 
The same characterization that went into the Xindi could have easily been put into the Romulans, we didn't need to reinvent the wheel. If they had used the Romulans, we wouldn't be left wondering why the Xindi apparently dropped off the face of the Alpha Quadrant.
That's an interesting point. Had it been the Romulans that attacked Earth in 2153, that could have been the first shot in what would have ultimately have been the Romulan Wars.
Exactly! We would have had everything that was good about season 3 and at the same time make it more friendly with continuity and more a part of the wider Star Trek continuum.


But I wonder how they would have worked around not letting the main characters see the Romulans, in order to not break continuity. It would be quite a challenge, and one that I don't see the writers or studio feeling too good about at the time.
 
There plenty of alternatives:
Tholians, hirogen, Vadwaur, Devore, Undine, Changelings, Vorta, Vardies, Nausicaans, Brikar, San-Tarah, Gorn, Orion, Breen, Vorsoth, Xindia and Kazon.
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What, no love for the Pakleds? :)
 
If they did that, then they'd just get complaints over how the "messed up" the Romulans since nothing ever says they attacked Earth directly. Or some other silly minor thing that would piss someone off.

Actually DS9 kind of implied that the Romulans did attack Earth at some point during the Romulan War.

The aborted movie Star Trek: The Beginning was to show the opening of the Earth/Romulan war as a week-long battle in Earth orbit, fought between cloak-equipped Romulan drone ships and Earth fighter ships.
 
a week-long battle in Earth orbit
I wonder how many people with remember the first gulf war (operation desert storm) a century from now? Combat lasted one hundred hours.

The Romulan War is very much remembered a century later, a monitored barrier still existed, the border was patrolled.

A one week battle in Earth orbit is unlikely. A multi-year war involving hundred (or thousands) of warships from numerous allies and possibly millions of casualties, is much more likely to be remembered a century later.

:)
 
a week-long battle in Earth orbit
I wonder how many people with remember the first gulf war (operation desert storm) a century from now? Combat lasted one hundred hours.

The Romulan War is very much remembered a century later, a monitored barrier still existed, the border was patrolled.

A one week battle in Earth orbit is unlikely. A multi-year war involving hundred (or thousands) of warships from numerous allies and possibly millions of casualties, is much more likely to be remembered a century later.

:)

Poor analogy.

Funny enough, I was in the Gulf War and have no doubt that it will be remembered. While the ground campaign was cut short wayyy too soon - yah, I said it - whatever - there was also the air campaign. The pilots, who were not taking care of business over Iraq, but were conducting the CAP over the Persian Gulf, as well as the Navies who were patrolling the Gulf will remember, as will the countless number of civilians in Kuwait, Israel, and Qatar who had Scud missiles lobbed at them. There are many many millions other who won't forget, either. Especially people in Iraq.

Thanks, I'll get off my soapbox now.

In any event, I also have no doubt that a one week battle conducted in Earth's orbit would be such a spectacular event on so many levels that it would also be remembered a hundred years later.
 
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