I Hate The Klingon Race
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Completely agree.
I can't imagine ever saying, "you know what this Trek needs? More Klingons." And the same goes more so for the Daleks.
When were the Romulans ever "honorable"? In their first appearance they use a sneak attack to test a highly destructive weapon on an "Earth Outpost" in direct violation of a treaty they were signatories to.
The TOS era Klingons were the smooth headed ones that had human/augment DNA in them so they were different than the bumpy headed ones. Somehow the TOS versions came to power just before the TOS era and then fell out of power prior to the TNG era. The Smoothies were quite as honorable as their bumpy headed brethern.
My favorite Klingons are the urbane TUC ones.
"In space, all warriors are cold warriors."
"In space, all warriors are cold warriors."
I didn't like what TNG and DS9 did with the Klingons. They basically became drinken, honour-obsessed fools with identikit perms and fake armour. Their rituals were nonsensical. Their ships were dumpy rustbuckets (even the "new" Klingon flagship seen in DS9!)
That said, I liked the TOS Klingons, and ENT went to lengths to show Klingons who weren't the TNG/DS9 stereotype (Archer's lawyer, the doctor who had Phlox kidnapped). And JJ's deleted-scene Klingons seemed fearsome and smart, in what little we saw of them. I also loved the alternate versions of the Klingons presented in the old novels "The Final Reflection" and "Pawns and Symbols". I also liked the Klingon backstory introduced in "Ishmael", where we learn the primitive Klingons were enslaved by the Karsid Empire in ancient times, and when the Karsids vanished 600 years ago, the Klingons inherited all their technology (hence them seeming to stupid to build an empire for themselves, and why their ships are so old and worn out)
So.... there's potential for them going forward.
That said, I liked the TOS Klingons, and ENT went to lengths to show Klingons who weren't the TNG/DS9 stereotype (Archer's lawyer, the doctor who had Phlox kidnapped). And JJ's deleted-scene Klingons seemed fearsome and smart, in what little we saw of them. I also loved the alternate versions of the Klingons presented in the old novels "The Final Reflection" and "Pawns and Symbols". I also liked the Klingon backstory introduced in "Ishmael", where we learn the primitive Klingons were enslaved by the Karsid Empire in ancient times, and when the Karsids vanished 600 years ago, the Klingons inherited all their technology (hence them seeming to stupid to build an empire for themselves, and why their ships are so old and worn out)
So.... there's potential for them going forward.
So has Steven Moffat. Don't expect to see the Daleks any time soon.
Is there any alternative to the Klingons? What would get more viewers: the well-established Klingons or Generic Villain Race #8 who we have never seen before and will never see again?
The Kazons?! Even in their worse episode the Klingons were a thousand times more compelling than the idiotic Kazons! The Nausicaans are, if anything, worse than the Klingons. They can barely string two words together. Don't even get me started on the Xindi. You could have replaced them with the Romulans and it wouldn't have changed a damn thing. As for the Undine, I was tired of them after their second episode. The Devore were as bland as toilet paper. We got our taste of the Vorta, Changelings, and Cardassians in DS9. The Hirogen are a shallow copy of the Klingons, just replace the word "honor" with "hunt". In addition, use any of these races too much and you'll have someone popping up complaining about how they use Race X too often.
Well how about if we take a race within the Federation and you turn them into Federation enemies or at least conflict sources? They leave the Federation, their political system is in chaos and renegade groups frequently hold the balance of power.
I suggest the Andorians. They are good at machinations and fantastic to look at. They are also far from the Nausican/Klingon animal element.
I suggest the Andorians. They are good at machinations and fantastic to look at. They are also far from the Nausican/Klingon animal element.
Not by much, they are still has bellicose and honor-bound as the Klingons. No matter how you slice it, the Klingons make for such good antagonists because they are almost the exact opposite of the Federation and humanity. They say the brightest lights have the darkest shadows, the UFP is the light and the Klingon Empire is the shadow. The Klingons show up more often because they simply work as antagonists.
Yevetha
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People are probably already complaining that Klingons show up too much.
This just makes them sound even more boring. Let's have the someone lurking in the grey, Section 31 will do.
An alternative what, exactly? Recurring adversarial species? Why is one needed at all?
Let's have the whole movie be about exploration. Just cruising around, looking at stuff and making logs about it.
No. The Xindi were an interesting, multifaceted, multispecies cooperative. The Romulans are cardboard villains with identikit idiotic bowl cuts and embarrassing shoulder pads.
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