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I Hate The Klingon Race

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Hate Klingons? Boring? I admit they can be really one dimensional at times, but it's hard to imagine Trek without them.

I think they were more interesting than Romulans, because we hardly ever saw their culture, they always seemed to be villains who hated the Federation, but we never got close enough to them to see why.

I also have to admit they can take the 'honor' thing too far in some episodes.

The dumbest Klingon episode that I've seen is the one in Voyager--where a group of Klingons get into a ship 80 years ago and fly it (into the Delta Quadrant??) on some quest to find some sacred Klingon who will lead them back to honor, etc, etc, etc.

they got a weird feudal system thing going on
T'Girl:True, but the type of government of the nation that first placed a Human in space was pretty barbaric

True, and good argument. But their feudal system is the strangest.

My impression is that it isn't that they can't have advanced medicine, it's that they don't want it. It would violate some of the values of their society.

If that's true, they should be a minor third "world" power at that point. That's not the path to a healthy society that can properly care for itself--remember what happened in the Praxis incident. They needed help!
 
True, but the type of government of the nation that first placed a Human in space was pretty barbaric.

Yes but said government collapsed about 40 years later.

Because they didn't have replicators, nor did they have complete control of their world. A few minor differences have that impact on things.

So did the Cardassians look what happened to their military dictatorship government.
 
And yet no one thinks the Cardassian Government is as "barbaric" or "primitive" as the Klingons.
 
And yet no one thinks the Cardassian Government is as "barbaric" or "primitive" as the Klingons.


probably because they don't go around loudly proclaiming their love of battle, disdain for peace, hitting each other with pain sticks have a cultural obsession with fighting and violence, etc.

The Cardassians just seem like a typical, albeit militaristic society.They'd be pretty comparable to TOS Klingons, not TNG ones.
 
I don't hate the Klingons, especially the TOS version, but I do agree they were used far too often in the TNG+ series'.

Yup, which is exactly why I was ticked off when I saw one right off the bat during the premiere of ENT. Klingons have been so overused, they bore me.
 
probably because they don't go around loudly proclaiming their love of battle, disdain for peace, hitting each other with pain sticks have a cultural obsession with fighting and violence, etc.

And again, we've seen Klingons who aren't like this and act in a more "human" fashion. Heaven forbid we get to see the exaggerated warrior types AND the more "human" ones instead of taking the lazy way out and have them ALL act just like humans the way the TOS Klingons did.
 
Klingon's are way cool in my book. i love their ways. The Klingon arch in TNG (dis-commendation etc.) contained some of my favourite Trek episodes.
 
There's no love for "K'Bob the Discount Klingon"?

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I can imagine sitting in front of the tube, watching sports and having a few beers and Gakh rinds while discussing the finer points of politics and women with good ol' K'Bob..

K'Bob was a Klingon salesman...(probably sold boots before he got his final gig ) and was a bit out of his league when Kirk and Co. showed up...

But damn if he didn't give it his best..
 
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I hate Klingons!
I hate Klingon honor!
I Hate Worf!
I Hate B'Lanna!
I Hate Birds of Prey
I hate TNG!
I Hate Riker!
I hate Rick Berman!
I hate Brannon Braga!
I hate the combined 25 seasons of TNG\DS9\VOY\ENT and everything and every one on them

TOS RULES
JJ ABRAMS RULES
There is no trek after TOS Except JJ ABRAMS

Blah Blah Blah

WAH WAH WAH!!!

{enter fart sound here}

That is all you people sound like. On every thread. On every forum. Nothing positive to say at all about anything: just one continual bitch and rant session. You people are miserable.

Jeesh
 
There's no love for "K'Bob the Discount Klingon"?

I can imagine sitting in front of the tube, watching sports and having a few beers and Gakh rinds while discussing the finer points of politics and women with good ol' K'Bob..

K'Bob was a Klingon salesman...(probably sold boots before he got his final gig ) and was a bit out of his league when Kirk and Co. showed up...

But damn if he didn't give it his best..
:guffaw:

If they made that the next Klingon Empire book, I'd so read it
 
WAAAAHHH WAHHHHHH WAAAAAHH!


I hate Klingons!
I hate Klingon honor!
I Hate Worf!
I Hate B'Lanna!
I Hate Birds of Prey
I hate TNG!
I Hate Riker!
I hate Rick Berman!
I hate Brannon Braga!
I hate the combined 25 seasons of TNG\DS9\VOY\ENT and everything and every one on them

TOS RULES
JJ ABRAMS RULES
There is no trek after TOS Except JJ ABRAMS

Blah Blah Blah

WAH WAH WAH!!!

{enter fart sound here}

That is all you people sound like. On every thread. On every forum. Nothing positive to say at all about anything: just one continual bitch and rant session. You people are miserable.

Jeesh

Let's not get personal. There are plenty of positive threads on this board and you're free to create them yourselves if you feel the need to. It's probably true that criticisms and negativity get more attention and publicity on the net because people who are angry/outraged/pissed off about something fell more of a need to speak out than people who thought a film/show/episode/book was ok or enjoyable. Still, boards like this one are what we make of them. General incriminations against a whole, vaguely defined group of people don't help. On the contrary, that's pretty negative, too.
 
WAAAAHHH WAHHHHHH WAAAAAHH!


I hate Klingons!
I hate Klingon honor!
I Hate Worf!
I Hate B'Lanna!
I Hate Birds of Prey
I hate TNG!
I Hate Riker!
I hate Rick Berman!
I hate Brannon Braga!
I hate the combined 25 seasons of TNG\DS9\VOY\ENT and everything and every one on them

TOS RULES
JJ ABRAMS RULES
There is no trek after TOS Except JJ ABRAMS

Blah Blah Blah

WAH WAH WAH!!!

{enter fart sound here}

That is all you people sound like. On every thread. On every forum. Nothing positive to say at all about anything: just one continual bitch and rant session. You people are miserable.

Jeesh


that was a constructive response. You realize this is a discussion board, right?
 
WAAAAHHH WAHHHHHH WAAAAAHH!


I hate Klingons!
I hate Klingon honor!
I Hate Worf!
I Hate B'Lanna!
I Hate Birds of Prey
I hate TNG!
I Hate Riker!
I hate Rick Berman!
I hate Brannon Braga!
I hate the combined 25 seasons of TNG\DS9\VOY\ENT and everything and every one on them

TOS RULES
JJ ABRAMS RULES
There is no trek after TOS Except JJ ABRAMS

Blah Blah Blah

WAH WAH WAH!!!

{enter fart sound here}

That is all you people sound like. On every thread. On every forum. Nothing positive to say at all about anything: just one continual bitch and rant session. You people are miserable.

Jeesh

I disagree with everything this man says but I will defend to the death his right to say it!

Yeah, that's the ticket...
 
Any explanation why are TOS klingons more machiavellian and less honorable than the TNG-DS9 ones?
 
Any explanation why are TOS klingons more machiavellian and less honorable than the TNG-DS9 ones?


I've read somewhere that the writers confused the Romulan honor thing with the Klingons, and switched the two races. The Romulans became the schemers, and the Klingons became the "honorable" warriors.
 
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