I guess that explains the black rock

[biotech]

If the island can dissapear in one place and reapear in another, the black rock could have been minding its own business in the ocean, and all of a sudden the island appeared under it.

 

[Mitty]

I am interested in the mechanics of the island moving. Like, is there a completley flat ocean floor left behind? does the island somehow integrate with the ocean where it goes to? how much water did it take with it?

 

[biotech]

How do we even know the bottom of the island touches the bottom of the ocean?

The thing could literally be like an iceburg, just floating on the sea, but big enough not to bob up and down.

After all it was pretty cold down where Ben went.

 

[biotech]

I also wonder if at some point they had trained the polar bears to turn the wheel, after all they would be suited to the cold, and it might explain how one appeared in tunisia, presumably not too far from where Ben appeared.

 

[Hermiod]

^That's my theory as well.

They managed to train the bears to use the fish biscuit machine. Perhaps that's why they didn't just feed the bears. Maybe they wanted to see which ones were the most intelligent so they could be used to push the wheel.

Since whoever pushes the wheel can't come back, they used the bears to do it.

 

[Starbreaker]

^That's my theory as well.

They managed to train the bears to use the fish biscuit machine. Perhaps that's why they didn't just feed the bears. Maybe they wanted to see which ones were the most intelligent so they could be used to push the wheel.

Since whoever pushes the wheel can't come back, they used the bears to do it.

Props if they've been setting that up since the pilot.

 

[Mallet]

That's not a bad idea, but you don't have to train a bear or any other animal to walk around in a circle. You just hook them up and put food in front of them. They will walk towards it.

Plus, there was no room down by the Wheel for a Polar bear to fit and half the wheel was built into the wall. There would be no way to get a bear close enough to push the wheel directly.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The Island moves in time, not space.

Which could also explain the Black Rock thing.

 

[biotech]

But not Yemis plane, that could only end up there if the island was in a different place.

 

[Mitty]

The Island moves in time, not space.

Which could also explain the Black Rock thing.

So, if the island moves in time but not in space, then it would only be possible to move it to the future, would it not? Unless you move it back to a point where it didn't exist because it was "in flight" so to speak. But then you would have to make sure you moved it again before another version of the island tryed to "land" the the same spot as the other island.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I don't think we have any proof that it just moves in time. If anything, I would say we have proof that it does move both time and space.

Clever explanation about the Black Rock. I'm sure that's probably what happened.

 

[Captain Craig]

I can buy as a possible tentative explanation that the Black Rock was "picked" up by a moving island. What I want to know then is what happened to those on the ship???

I'm holding out that my idea of Richard and his Others are descendants of those on board the Black Rock. How Richard is seemingly ageless is another enigma for later.

 

[biotech]

If the island can move through time and space, then the black rock ship could have been picked up the year before the dharma initive started building bases on the island.

IE, the island picks them up in 1777, then moves again to 1977.

So Richard and the others dont need to be descendants, they could be the crew.

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

If the island can move through time and space, then the black rock ship could have been picked up the year before the dharma initive started building bases on the island.

IE, the island picks them up in 1777, then moves again to 1977.

So Richard and the others dont need to be descendants, they could be the crew.

If Richard (and maybe the other original "Hostiles" too) is ageless, then you don't necessarily need time travel to make them the crew of the "Black Rock".

 

[Captain Craig]

If the island can move through time and space, then the black rock ship could have been picked up the year before the dharma initive started building bases on the island.

IE, the island picks them up in 1777, then moves again to 1977.

So Richard and the others dont need to be descendants, they could be the crew.

Except Richard is shown in the 50's as being the alleged dad to John Locke so the one movie from 1777 to 1977 wouldn't work.

The crew of the Black Rock and its descendants, assuming there are some, would've been there well before Dharma.

Also lets not forget about a tribe or other indigenous people responsible for that 4 toed leg.

 

[Jenee]

Richard wasn't the alleged Dad. He just showed up at the hospital.

 

[biotech]

If the island can move through time and space, then the black rock ship could have been picked up the year before the dharma initive started building bases on the island.

IE, the island picks them up in 1777, then moves again to 1977.

So Richard and the others dont need to be descendants, they could be the crew.

Except Richard is shown in the 50's as being the alleged dad to John Locke so the one movie from 1777 to 1977 wouldn't work.

Unless Richard got the bunny transporter working well enough for really controlled teleportation to anywhere and any time.

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

If the island can move through time and space, then the black rock ship could have been picked up the year before the dharma initive started building bases on the island.

IE, the island picks them up in 1777, then moves again to 1977.

So Richard and the others dont need to be descendants, they could be the crew.

Except Richard is shown in the 50's as being the alleged dad to John Locke so the one movie from 1777 to 1977 wouldn't work.

Unless Richard got the bunny transporter working well enough for really controlled teleportation to anywhere and any time.

But how do we interpret Ben's line then: "You do remember birthdays don't you?"

This implied that he is actually "immortal" for some reason. Of course this could have been a deliberate attempt in misleading the viewers.

 

[biotech]

Of course we could split the difference and say the black rock and its crew crashed with the island only a few decades ago, but that Richard was already there as one of the islands original indigenous immortal inhabitants.

Or Richard could just be another aspect of smokey.

 

[doubleohfive]

Clearly, the island is equipped with a Colonial jump drive.