I guess I'm buying the Star Trek HD-DVD set now

[Turtletrekker]

^I hadn't watched the show on TV for 15 years because I had it on tape and DVD, which is what I said. It had nothing to do with the effects, which is not what I said.

And I'm sorry that reality seems "bizarre" and "paranoid" to you, but outside of hard-core Trekkies, hardly anybody new is going to watch a show, that frankly looked cheesy when it first aired, in HD. It's not going to attract new viewers and keep it alive, which is the whole point. If the new airings don't attract new viewers, it will disappear because it will no longer be making sufficient money to keep it on, except late at night or on public access.

And yeah, whatever, like a previous poster said about the mis-use of the word "re-mastering", I concede that the word is not about the effects. But, if as you suggested, they only cleared up the picture and color, wouldn't that make the original effects look that much worse? I can't see only doing it halfway like that. Fixing the color and picture without "fixing" the FX will just make the episodes look like a brand new shiny car driving down the road with a different color door on one side.

 

[Doug Otte]

Hear, hear, Jason. Your arguments are well done and point out the discrepancies in what Turtle is writing.

And, I see in that Trekpulse interview, Rossi repeats the same ignorant statement that so many here have said. He argues that those who want the original effects will still have them. The point is, Mr. Rossi, that we will only have them in SD.

Yes, Turtle, we do want the original show in HD. Yes, we might see even more flaws in the effects, but we do not think they are "cheesy."

Doug

 

[Outpost4]

My question is how many people would buy Season 1 again if it wasn't for the new effects? I can see two ways the new effects are essential. They are both something new to watch and the remastering itself has created a nice buzz for Star Trek over the past year and a half.

I'm a bad example. You don't want to know the number of formats on which I own Beatles recordings. Reel to reel, anyone? Once I bought the new HD-DVD player, I was probably destined to buy the set, with or without the new effects.

But the general public? If JoeCasualTrekkie has his choice of buying Star Trek Season 1 on a regular DVDs for less than $50 or exactly the same thing in high def for $130, which do you think he would buy?

I think the new effects are essential to making this set a marketing success.

Good or bad.

My ultimate HD-DVD set would have both versions of Star Trek, with and without the new effects.

 

[Doug Otte]

You make a very good point, Outpost. I'm sure they are looking to a new generation of possible fans. However, it seems like they would also want to keep their historical cash source - older fans like me.

I wonder how hard it would have been to provide a choice (via seamless branching) of viewing either the original or new effects in HD on the discs. It might be easy when there's a hard cut from live action to effects, but it would be harder when they had to crossfade.

Anyone w/ technical video knowledge that can respond to this idea?

Doug

 

[Turtletrekker]

Doug Otte said:
Hear, hear, Jason. Your arguments are well done and point out the discrepancies in what Turtle is writing.

What discrepancies? BULLSHIT! He took what I said and twisted it to fit his arguement, and I called him on it straight away. I guessing that neither one of you really even bothered to actually read what I said.

Some people just believe what they want to believe, and let neither reality or the printed words that are right in front of their face affect their reasoning.

 

[Doug Otte]

Turtletrekker said:

Doug Otte said:
Hear, hear, Jason. Your arguments are well done and point out the discrepancies in what Turtle is writing.

What discrepancies? BULLSHIT! He took what I said and twisted it to fit his arguement, and I called him on it straight away. I guessing that neither one of you really even bothered to actually read what I said.

Some people just believe what they want to believe, and let neither reality or the printed words that are right in front of their face affect their reasoning.

I'll just refer you to Jason's posts 8265968 and 8266066 in which he quoted your exact words and responded to them. I was congratulating him on his fine writing and agreed with him. I wasn't necessarily picking on you; you just happened to be the latest example of the kind of reasoning that Jason and I disagree with. I also disagree with Rossi for making the same kind of statements.

But, I'm hitting my head against a brick wall here. We won't get the original episodes in HD. I'm getting tired of whining about it and I'm sure everyone else here is tired of my whining, too.

I sincerely hope you enjoy the modified episodes in HD. In fact, I'm eager to read the reviews and see some screenshots. However, beyond the novelty of seeing a few episodes on TV, I'm not interested in the cartoonish new effects and thus won't waste my money on the HD sets.

Doug

 

[Guartho]

Matt said:

I was just pointing out the facts. You can have HD Star Trek right now, but the HD-DVD players will be like a Divx disc player in a few years. I'm just trying to save people some money.

Oh Matt, for a second there I thought you were actually serious. You really put one over on me. Then a little voice told me that you're smarter than that. It told me that you know darn well that the entire high-def disk market is too small to even consider declaring a winner.

Right now there's just as much a chance that both formats will become the next laserdisc as there is of one or the other becoming the next DVD.

Sure Blu-ray is technically superior, but it's the Diet Coke of technically superior. Just one calorie, not technically superior enough.

The market will decide eventually. In the mean time I opt for format neutrality. Unfortunately Blu-ray players are still too expensive, so that means HDDVD only for me for awhile.

 

[RAMA]

Doug Otte said:

Turtletrekker said:

Doug Otte said:
Hear, hear, Jason. Your arguments are well done and point out the discrepancies in what Turtle is writing.

What discrepancies? BULLSHIT! He took what I said and twisted it to fit his arguement, and I called him on it straight away. I guessing that neither one of you really even bothered to actually read what I said.

Some people just believe what they want to believe, and let neither reality or the printed words that are right in front of their face affect their reasoning.

I'll just refer you to Jason's posts 8265968 and 8266066 in which he quoted your exact words and responded to them. I was congratulating him on his fine writing and agreed with him. I wasn't necessarily picking on you; you just happened to be the latest example of the kind of reasoning that Jason and I disagree with. I also disagree with Rossi for making the same kind of statements.

But, I'm hitting my head against a brick wall here. We won't get the original episodes in HD. I'm getting tired of whining about it and I'm sure everyone else here is tired of my whining, too.

I sincerely hope you enjoy the modified episodes in HD. In fact, I'm eager to read the reviews and see some screenshots. However, beyond the novelty of seeing a few episodes on TV, I'm not interested in the cartoonish new effects and thus won't waste my money on the HD sets.

Doug

The style of effects is meant to be a "60s look" so the detail and sharpness don't detract from the rest of the 60s footage. Its appropriate. Its still light years better than the original FX, and if you had SEEN it on a big screen, like I saw with Managerie, you'd see how superior they really are. When the old FX merged into the new Enteprise in the doc, people were awed.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

Outpost4 said:
My question is how many people would buy Season 1 again if it wasn't for the new effects? I can see two ways the new effects are essential. They are both something new to watch and the remastering itself has created a nice buzz for Star Trek over the past year and a half.

I'm a bad example. You don't want to know the number of formats on which I own Beatles recordings. Reel to reel, anyone? Once I bought the new HD-DVD player, I was probably destined to buy the set, with or without the new effects.

But the general public? If JoeCasualTrekkie has his choice of buying Star Trek Season 1 on a regular DVDs for less than $50 or exactly the same thing in high def for $130, which do you think he would buy?

I think the new effects are essential to making this set a marketing success.

Good or bad.

My ultimate HD-DVD set would have both versions of Star Trek, with and without the new effects.

For an HD source, and HD output---more common everyday--HD-DVD is the only choice. That's the main reason for the remastering and new FX anyway.

RAMA

 

[Trekfan21]

So is there any chance we'll see the complete episodes, as originally aired, on one of the HD formats? Or will those of us who would like to occasionally be able to watch the originals need to hang on to our standard dvds?

 

[!LuvKJ]

The First professional review of the boxset is up:

http://dvd.themanroom.com/dvd-review.php?id=567

 

[ryan123450]

Anyone know if the DVD side of this will be on Netflix?

 

[chayesfss]

lulz, Matt pls quit making blu ray fans look like idiots already

 

[chayesfss]

Matt said:
What part of BluRay has overwhelming market share in US and UK isn't clear? LOL.

4 to 1 advantage in the UK.
70% of sales in the US.

It's over!

over? what % do both hd/blu make up in total sales? 4% or something

just wow

 

[Mallory]

Welcome to the board chayesfss. I hope you enjoy your time here.

But save the format wars discussion for another forum, OK?

 

[chayesfss]

Mallory said:
Welcome to the board chayesfss. I hope you enjoy your time here.

But save the format wars discussion for another forum, OK?

sounds great

 

[Dar70]

Trekfan21 said:
So is there any chance we'll see the complete episodes, as originally aired, on one of the HD formats? Or will those of us who would like to occasionally be able to watch the originals need to hang on to our standard dvds?

I would hang onto your old dvds. Even if they are released on HD the regular versions are still nice. I have always viewed TOS in not perfect conditions. In fact i doubt they looked any better when originally aired as they do on regular dvd. HD of the original versions will probably look better than when originally aired so you arent really viewing them as intended anyways. I myself just purchased TOS on dvd. All three season for $110. Not a bad price. I did without them for years and I can do without any HD version for years.


If the new FX version gets really cheap one day i may buy them, but im sure a new better format will come out by then. Im guessing the next big leap will be size of the media. Look at where little storage cards for cameras have gone in a few short years. They can now hold hours of video. I can see that type of storage for movies and tv one day.

 

[Outpost4]

Whoo-hoo! It's November 20th, release date for the Star Trek HD-DVD set. I went to deepdiscount.com this morning and it is no longer a pre-order. Today I was successful in ordering my set from them at 20% off their $133 price. That means I got it for less than $107. Yes! Use this link to get the codes for the discount.

I'll let you know when it arrives.

 

[guardian]

Outpost4 said:
Whoo-hoo! It's November 20th, release date for the Star Trek HD-DVD set. I went to deepdiscount.com this morning and it is no longer a pre-order. Today I was successful in ordering my set from them at 20% off their $133 price. That means I got it for less than $107. Yes! Use this link to get the codes for the discount.

I'll let you know when it arrives.

Hey Outpost......

that's a fantastic price!!

I haven't tried Deepdiscount---are they reliable and quick?

Thanks for any info!

 

[Elim]

I am more confused than enlightended by the discussion about what's on the discs. Partly, because I'm no native speaker and therefore I tend to overlook subtle clues.

Ever since posting #8236319 I try to figure out what's what. Are the episodes on the DVD discs remastered, like in the HD discs, or are they the original episodes??

I'd very much like to buy the set, but I neither have a HD player nor a tv (all my Trek dvd's look better on my flatscreen, anyway *g*). So naturally I hope that the episodes on the DVD's are remastered, or else I wouldn't have to buy what I already possess.

Can anyone spell this out for me unmistakably, please?