I finished DS9 :-(

[Bad Thoughts]

That was one thing I always liked about DS9, there wasn't much need to have the "sexy chick" on the main cast (yes I know they redesigned Kira's uniform for a little titillation, but compared to the likes of Seven or T'Pol it's really pretty reserved). You have the Dabo girls, but given the job they do and their employer then it's in context with the universe and makes sense.

Yes, what happened to Kira's outfit was more or less normalization for Star Trek. In general, the Berman-era had an unusual way of presenting (and sexualizing women). The costumes were tight and the chests enhanced (Farrell complains about having been fitted with a mastectomy bra), but usually women were covered from neck to toe. We probably saw more of Patrick Stewart's legs than Nana Visitor.

 

[CobaltDysprosium]

Yes, what happened to Kira's outfit was more or less normalization for Star Trek. In general, the Berman-era had an unusual way of presenting (and sexualizing women). The costumes were tight and the chests enhanced (Farrell complains about having been fitted with a mastectomy bra), but usually women were covered from neck to toe. We probably saw more of Patrick Stewart's legs than Nana Visitor.

DS9 was definitely a prudish show in that regard. Aside from the Dabo Girls there was very little sexuality or promiscuity the way we'd seen in TOS and TNG. Kirk, obviously, is famous for using his sexiness as a tool, but TNG really reveled in free love in a very unusual way. I think by the end of the show every single character had had some sort of fling or casual sex; they went to a planet of free love and exposed butt-cheeks in practically the first episode.

In DS9, Bashir and Dax were both a bit of a player but the majority of that played out off-screen - we catch a conversation between him and Dax about the dates they went on, or some Ensign he wants to ask out, etc. Even the Mirror Universe episodes had the sexualized Kira dressed from head to toe and showing very little skin: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VmbkXP1peLc/maxresdefault.jpg I'm actually really surprised to hear that Terry Farrell complained about her outfit, which I never thought of as at all revealing or, frankly, even sexualized.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I'm actually really surprised to hear that Terry Farrell complained about her outfit, which I never thought of as at all revealing or, frankly, even sexualized.

Things could get weird when it came to chest size. Both Sirtis and Farrell have talked about the specialty bras they were fitted with. This came up in one of Farrell's convention appearances: they did a special event in which costuming and makeup came together to put her in Dax's wedding dress. Farrell admitted that there was some concern that she could not naturally fill out the top without the special bra. Visitor never complained about it, but there are clear differences that can be seen in season 5, corresponding to her late pregnancy and post-partum months.

 

[Prax]

When did Kira's outfit first really change? I know in the first season she wore those weird elf boots like other Bajoran soldiers, but then she got high heels. I'm glad she got to keep the belt. It goes a long way to hide the catsuit.

And like Troy and Seven before her, she looked best in a Starfleet uniform.

 

[Mel Tenorio]

Anyone read the post DS9 novels?

 

[DonIago]

^Of course.

 

[HaventGotALife]

Right now I'm watching it for the first time -- currently in the middle of Season 5. Just beginning to wane off the "HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE BEST SHOW EVER" excitement that keeps me watching one episode after another and slowly moving into the "OH GOD THE END IS NEAR" feeling.

Take heart. The Sixth season is the best of the series. You are still in for some amazing DS9 moments.

 

[HaventGotALife]

In general I hate it when they try to make a character's death artificially more tragic by building up that they are gearing to something new in their life. Same way with Tasha they teased Worf romance the episode she died.

To do that and have her due in a way that she just happened to be in the room when Dukat showed up was contrived and weak.

Man, Worf has bad luck with women. Tasha, K'elyhr, Dax. Hell, in the future where he stayed with Troi she died.

This. I think Sisko and Worf have similar arcs, and that is explored in Worf's introduction to the series. However, Jennifer was killed as a bystander in an invasion. It would've sharpened up the relationship if Worf lost his wife in the heat of battle. War sucks. It is oppressive, and I know Word would've had an easier time with her death had Jadzia died in battle. That said, "Change of Heart" still would've been a better way to go. He sacrifices his career, and still doesn't have her. It brings Ezri in a little sooner, more character development.

I think it was a lost opportunity. So much could've been done. She could've come back as a Pah Wraith, or something, some unholy resurrection that is just as contrived as Dukat sleeping with Kai Winn , as a Bajoran. Worf or Sisko has to kill her. Hell, she could be unleashed as the Emissary's best friend to turn on him, after she is found mysteriously alive, in cahoots with Dukat. Dupe the Emissary. Maybe she kills Jake or.Cassidy or their baby as a way of revealing her deception. I don't know. Something that earns her being killed by Dukat.

 

[mlbach]

Oh yeah. That would make the fans happy

 

[Kaelef]

I binge-rewatched the series a few years ago and was completely broken-hearted when it ended. What better measure is there of a great show?

 

[Nakita Akita]

Anyone read the post DS9 novels?

I have read a couple.
I managed to get one where Hake was crawling around in the Jefferyies tube with Molly in a poopy diaper.
And I think it may have been the one where everyone else on the station disappeared.
I actually read quite a few, I had a list of them but I can't find it now.
And I just bought some last week at the used bookstore near my house!

 

[DonIago]

That one's "Fallen Heroes" and it's not post-DS9, though it is a great read.

 

[Tirius]

Anyone read the post DS9 novels?

I think that outside of the odd not-so-connected-to-the-ongoing-plot book and the recent e-book only releases centered around Quark, I might have read them all. Many I've read multiple times. The original post-finale works from Avatar through to Worlds of DS9 are just that amazing. In case anyone is interested, these are:

• Avatar (books 1&2) by S.D. Perry
• Section 31: Abyss, by David Weddle and Jeffrey Lang
• Gateways: Demons of Air and Darkness, by Keith R.A. DeCandido - and it's follow-up novella "Horn and Ivory" in Gateways: What Lay Beyond
• Mission Gamma: Twilight, by David R. George
• Mission Gamma: This Grey Spirit, by Heather Jarman
• Mission Gamma: Cathedral, by Andy Mangels & Michael A. Martin
• Mission Gamma: Lesser Evil, by Robert Simpson
• Rising Son, by S.D. Perry
• Unity, by S.D. Perry
• Worlds of DS9, book 1 (Cardassia by Una McCormack and Andor by Jarman)
• Worlds of DS9, book 2 (Trill by Mangels & Martin, Bajor by Noah J. Kim)
• Worlds of DS9, book 3 (Ferenginar by DeCandido and the Dominion by George)

The full list is much longer and continues on past this point - though that is likely best discussed (and also listed in detail) in the Trek Lit subforum.

 

[Mel Tenorio]

I think that outside of the odd not-so-connected-to-the-ongoing-plot book and the recent e-book only releases centered around Quark, I might have read them all. Many I've read multiple times. The original post-finale works from Avatar through to Worlds of DS9 are just that amazing. In case anyone is interested, these are:

• Avatar (books 1&2) by S.D. Perry
• Section 31: Abyss, by David Weddle and Jeffrey Lang
• Gateways: Demons of Air and Darkness, by Keith R.A. DeCandido - and it's follow-up novella "Horn and Ivory" in Gateways: What Lay Beyond
• Mission Gamma: Twilight, by David R. George
• Mission Gamma: This Grey Spirit, by Heather Jarman
• Mission Gamma: Cathedral, by Andy Mangels & Michael A. Martin
• Mission Gamma: Lesser Evil, by Robert Simpson
• Rising Son, by S.D. Perry
• Unity, by S.D. Perry
• Worlds of DS9, book 1 (Cardassia by Una McCormack and Andor by Jarman)
• Worlds of DS9, book 2 (Trill by Mangels & Martin, Bajor by Noah J. Kim)
• Worlds of DS9, book 3 (Ferenginar by DeCandido and the Dominion by George)

The full list is much longer and continues on past this point - though that is likely best discussed (and also listed in detail) in the Trek Lit subforum.

'Avatar' (books 1&2) were truly amazing. A perfect continuation to the DS9 finale. After that I would suggest 'Rising Son' and 'Unity.' And don't forget A Stitch in Time, which was written by the actor that played Garek.

I stayed away from the books written by David R. George as I can't stand his writing style.

 

[mikey2363]

Right now I'm watching it for the first time -- currently in the middle of Season 5. Just beginning to wane off the "HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE BEST SHOW EVER" excitement that keeps me watching one episode after another and slowly moving into the "OH GOD THE END IS NEAR" feeling.

I've just started my 3rd viewing in episodic order. For the past few years i've just been watching random ones but thought it was time to start from the beginning again. Its my favourite ST show hands down. I'm only on episode 3 season 1 so its great to know i've got 7 years worth still to go!!

 

[Kaelef]

I binge-rewatched the series a few years ago and was completely broken-hearted when it ended. What better measure is there of a great show?

Conversely, I'm on season 7 of my first re-watching of TNG and looking forward to being done with it and moving on. It had its moments, but there's almost no emotional attachment to it at all. It's a striking difference.

 

[Voth commando1]

Wasn't there on episode with Kira and Bashir going back to DS9 on a runabout and Kira was sleeping-she was wearing a tight red suit with high heels.

I was shocked when I first saw that episode because it was way more tight fitting than was she usually wore.

As for Jadzia-I don't recall her being sexualized(though she was implied to be promiscuous) except for Let He Who is Without Sin which didn't real much.

I'd say Leeta was most sexualized character on DS9.