i find STD unwatchable

[DocCrusher]

I really hope one day I can manage to get through an episode of STD & enjoy it. I tried the first 5 or so episodes & literally had to force myself not to drift off to sleep or get distracted & to focus on what was going on, I really am wanting to enjoy a new star trek but what they've done with STD I feel has sabotaged what could have had so much potential to be amazing.

I just don't know where to start.. even tv shows from 30 years ago that I haven't seen before, have more appeal.. it doesn't stand up to TNG, Voy or DS9, and even if you watch it as a stand alone, it doesn't stand up... if you compare it to other new shows on tv right now it doesn't stand up either. If I was in a space capsule & had nothing to do, I'd rather read a book than watch it. Other brand new tv shows are so great (admittedly not all).. how could they hve such a huge budget but get it all so wrong?

I find the scripts in STD seem like they were written by high school kids, storylines boring & predictable, acting by some major parts very poor indeed (michael burnham as an example), and the lacking in quality control is so bad that it actually becomes distracting to a point of making you aware you're watching a tv show being filmed, whilst watching it (this is never a good thing!).

I so rarely watch such poor quality shows on TV these days.

I'm not even going into the whole fan / continuity arguments e.g. klingons looking different- I can accept a reboot, but it has to be watchable!

The scenes with klingons I literally have to skip because they're so so so slooow and [yawn] and YAWN. Heck even a 20 second scene with pointless small talk in DS9 or TNG is more entertaining than most of STD.

.. and don't even get me started on the CGI ..or is that crappy graphics imitated. It's like a cartoon at some points. Even if the CGI was decent, it wouldn't hold up a bad script, acting, directing, casting, or storyline.

I really wanted to love it or at least like it. Why did they have to make it so damn painful to watch? I need a new dose of star trek. At least make part of it compelling- script, actors, or direction. I'd rather watch compelling actors talking about paint drying than a high budget show where the quality in every basic aspect is so lacking.

I'm amazed it got renewed.. and so disappointed it's so badly made.

 

[DocCrusher]

I also found that you end up supporting the bad guys or the ones the writers didn't intend you to support - and hoping the "good guys" or main parts just die a quick painful death. You end up completely disconnected from the show's intentions because the characters are so unlikable (again mainly michael burn-her). It's never a good thing when as an audience member you're feeling the opposite to what the show intended! How could they get it all so skewed?

 

[Ovation]

Can’t please everyone.

I, and MANY others, quite enjoy the show and look forward to more.

C’est la vie.

 

[fireproof78]

I also found that you end up supporting the bad guys or the ones the writers didn't intend you to support - and hoping the "good guys" or main parts just die a quick painful death. You end up completely disconnected from the show's intentions because the characters are so unlikable (again mainly michael burn-her). It's never a good thing when as an audience member you're feeling the opposite to what the show intended! How could they get it all so skewed?

If you're invested in characters, that's ok too. I personally can't stand most of the characters in TNG and it certainly isn't my favorite show.

It's ok to not like a Star Trek show.

 

[O_Kav]

I also found that you end up supporting the bad guys or the ones the writers didn't intend you to support - and hoping the "good guys" or main parts just die a quick painful death. You end up completely disconnected from the show's intentions because the characters are so unlikable (again mainly michael burn-her). It's never a good thing when as an audience member you're feeling the opposite to what the show intended! How could they get it all so skewed?

Since when Television Shows are like Sports ? A writer's job isn't to make people root for somebody. Their job is to tell a story. They have no duty of creating "likable" characters. The only compromise they have is with realism. Everything else is completely subjective and up to the viewer.

Empathizing with the villains contradicts what you said about "feeling disconnected from the show". It also contradicts your assertion that Discovery has bad writing. Badly written shows have villains who are impossible to feel connected to. See the Wraith in Stargate Atlantis, for example. They are one dimensional caricatures driven by nothing. There's nothing there to empathize or to hate. Now, if you understood the Klingons motivations and thought Starfleet Officers were the main baddies, well, you certainly viewed them as complex characters. How complexity is a bad thing ?

 

[fireproof78]

There's nothing there to empathize or to hate. Now, if you understood the Klingons motivations and thought Starfleet Officers were the main baddies, well, you certainly viewed them as complex characters. How complexity is a bad thing ?

Good point.

 

[Valenti]

Complexity for the sake of complexity doesn't make a good story. Story and situations make character.

 

[fireproof78]

Complexity for the sake of complexity doesn't make a good story. Story and situations make character.

But, if there are characters that you identify with is a part of the story and world building. Characters, in my opinion, should be defined outsider of their story and circumstances.

 

[Lord Garth]

As much as I like DSC, it makes sense that it's not everyone's cup of tea.

 

[Mudd]

A TV writer's primary job is to tell a story that can be shot within the allotted time and budget and that will help to maintain or increase the involvement and size of the audience. This is commercial writing.

I didn't find it unwatchable; I found it not worth the time or money. Those are different things.

 

[cooleddie74]

It veers between awesome storytelling and thudding disappointment. It's not great. It's not terrible. It's just the newest Star Trek series and it offers some good along with more than a few helpings of "meh" or bad.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

I really hope one day I can manage to get through an episode of STD & enjoy it. I tried the first 5 or so episodes & literally had to force myself not to drift off to sleep or get distracted & to focus on what was going on, I really am wanting to enjoy a new star trek but what they've done with STD I feel has sabotaged what could have had so much potential to be amazing.

I just don't know where to start.. even tv shows from 30 years ago that I haven't seen before, have more appeal.. it doesn't stand up to TNG, Voy or DS9, and even if you watch it as a stand alone, it doesn't stand up... if you compare it to other new shows on tv right now it doesn't stand up either. If I was in a space capsule & had nothing to do, I'd rather read a book than watch it. Other brand new tv shows are so great (admittedly not all).. how could they hve such a huge budget but get it all so wrong?

I find the scripts in STD seem like they were written by high school kids, storylines boring & predictable, acting by some major parts very poor indeed (michael burnham as an example), and the lacking in quality control is so bad that it actually becomes distracting to a point of making you aware you're watching a tv show being filmed, whilst watching it (this is never a good thing!).

I so rarely watch such poor quality shows on TV these days.

I'm not even going into the whole fan / continuity arguments e.g. klingons looking different- I can accept a reboot, but it has to be watchable!

The scenes with klingons I literally have to skip because they're so so so slooow and [yawn] and YAWN. Heck even a 20 second scene with pointless small talk in DS9 or TNG is more entertaining than most of STD.

.. and don't even get me started on the CGI ..or is that crappy graphics imitated. It's like a cartoon at some points. Even if the CGI was decent, it wouldn't hold up a bad script, acting, directing, casting, or storyline.

I really wanted to love it or at least like it. Why did they have to make it so damn painful to watch? I need a new dose of star trek. At least make part of it compelling- script, actors, or direction. I'd rather watch compelling actors talking about paint drying than a high budget show where the quality in every basic aspect is so lacking.

I'm amazed it got renewed.. and so disappointed it's so badly made.

So in short, hyperbole.

 

[Discofan]

I personally find that show quite enjoyable and am looking forward to watching the next season!

 

[keel]

I just watched the last three episodes of 'Discovery' and I'm confused. In the intro scenes to episode 13, there were scenes involving a warp wave or something plus a scene in which they got transported into the past or future by nine months, yet episode 13-15 depicted nothing like that. If you recall those scenes, were they in an earlier episode or am I hallucinating?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I just watched the last three episodes of 'Discovery' and I'm confused. In the intro scenes to episode 13, there were scenes involving a warp wave or something plus a scene in which they got transported into the past or future by nine months, yet episode 13-15 depicted nothing like that. If you recall those scenes, were they in an earlier episode or am I hallucinating?

When they returned from the Mirror Universe they arrived nine months after they left. This was covered in episodes 13 and 14, IIRC.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Sounds like me and BSG

 

[Wulfsa]

Makes an account to tell everyone it is unwatchable ... i like this sense of humor

 

[SPCTRE]

Sounds like me and BSG

oh you're right, this thread indeed is reminiscent of people being wrong

 

[F. King Daniel]

oh you're right, this thread indeed is reminiscent of people being wrong

 

[KennyB]

I just watched the last three episodes of 'Discovery' and I'm confused. In the intro scenes to episode 13, there were scenes involving a warp wave or something plus a scene in which they got transported into the past or future by nine months, yet episode 13-15 depicted nothing like that. If you recall those scenes, were they in an earlier episode or am I hallucinating?

Do you find yourself confused often? I only ask because this was explained pretty well in the episodes.