I don't think Vulcan [SPOILERS]

[Squiggy]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

The problem is that the screwing-up of certain things will affect almost everything in upcoming Star Trek movies, series and books and I can't accept that.

Do you understand that the Original timeline still exists? and this new timeline is separate? The original timeline is still continuing on but is simply missing Spock and Nero. This new timeline is just that, a new timeline completely separate from the original.

Spock can't be missing in the Original timeline since he was visible in the 24th century. If he is, due to events taking place after "Nemesis", then we have another example of character destruction.

For the love of God. No. TOS and movie era Spock is still around because the Spock that was sucked through the wormhole to the alternate timeline is from after allllll that happened. Look at the pretty charts.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

Spock can't be missing in the Original timeline

Yes he is, he fell into a blackhole in the Hobus star system never to be seen again.

If he is, due to events taking place after "Nemesis", then we have another example of character destruction.

He's not been destroyed, he is now located in a new timeline/universe.

The original universe is continuing on without him, but the new universe created by himself and Nero is where he is now located.

 

[MadBaggins]

I've dumbed it down as much as I can. If you want me to get more technical on yo ass...

All the blue is the old Trekkian way of looking at things, where any alteration to a timeline is negated by something so nothing was ever changed. We never saw any changes and the merry crew went on to visit the next forehead of the week.

This time around, we see shit happens. We're sticking in an altered timeline.

Thank you. Did you draw that yourself? It's really good.

That explains A LOT. Maybe things are different this time because of the METHOD of time travel involved (red matter black hole). This would be consistent with Vulcan surviving being sucked into the black hole, as we now know these red matter black holes have special properties...

 

[Squiggy]

Meh. Sure. Go with it.

 

[Trekker4747]

We need to remember that possibly the Romulan ship and the Jellyfish has such strong gravity generators and structrual-integrity that they can negate the forces of a blackhole (spaghetification, specificily.)

The planet, however, has neither of these things. The black hole also was formed INSIDE the planet. The planet pretty much imploded. If we ignore the spaghetification effect and just assume this was a simple "hole in space" the planet may have just traveled through it if it he "red matter" device was used on the outside of th planet and its core.

Vulcan is gone. If it DID come out of the "otherside" of this "black hole" like Spock and Nero did, it came out as clumps of dirt and rock.

OH come on, Trekker. If you can use technobabble words like "spaghettification" and techncalbabble devices like "gravite generatrons" to explain the Jellyfish and the Nauroto coming out the otherside okay, SURELY you can use similar treknobabble to explain Vulcan surviving! Like I said in my original thesis, Vulcan did break up into pieces, yes, but those pieces could have been put back together inverted on the other side. You could say that the black hole formed a new gravitational core for Vulcan and sucked all the pieces around it to make a new planet. It could happen. Stranger thinks have happened in Star Trek. .

Spaghetitfication is a scientific term relating to how gravity pulls objects down. If you want to get specific you're being "spaghetified" (beit very, very, very, very, very slightly) by earth right now. Since your head is further away than waist from the center of the earth.

Grasvity generators was a way to explain how Spock and Nero's ships weren't effected by the blackhole's gravity.

As for your theory on Vulcan. It crumbled apart!.

When it arrives on the otherside of the blackhole it's likely all of it's pieces will regroup and form a new planet, similar what happened to the pieces of the earth when it was hit by an asteroid billions of years ago that formed our moon, but that new planet won't "be Vulcan" no one would survive, no structures would survive and the planet would be useless unless it came back out around a star.

 

[DanStro]

I've dumbed it down as much as I can. If you want me to get more technical on yo ass...

Didn't Quark, Nogg, and ? go back to 1947 too. Where they were the Roswell crash aliens? And then Sisko, Dax, Obrien, and Bashir went back to TOS (Trials and Tribbleations).

I think my head is going to start hurting. This is why I HATE time travel.

 

[MadBaggins]

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Spaghetitfication is a scientific term relating to how gravity pulls objects down. If you want to get specific you're being "spaghetified" (beit very, very, very, very, very slightly) by earth right now. Since your head is further away than waist from the center of the earth.

Grasvity generators was a way to explain how Spock and Nero's ships weren't effected by the blackhole's gravity.

As for your theory on Vulcan. It crumbled apart!.

When it arrives on the otherside of the blackhole it's likely all of it's pieces will regroup and form a new planet, similar what happened to the pieces of the earth when it was hit by an asteroid billions of years ago that formed our moon, but that new planet won't "be Vulcan" no one would survive, no structures would survive and the planet would be useless unless it came back out around a star.

It's sci-fi. The idea of a ship being able to travel through the black hole is just as ridiculous. Tell any scientist that travelling through a black hole just makes you travel being in time perfectly fine and he will throw up all over you. Maybe Vulcan had gravity generators under their surface. They are a very advanced people. You admit yourself that a new planet will be formed. Maybe it's unrealistic that any buildings or Vulcans will survive, but the giant space drill was quite unrealistic too. Vulcan lives on!

 

[rfmcdpei]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

Romulus destroyed? No way, it existed in TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and even in that not-so-good "Nemesis" movie and all those events did take place after the events in the new movie.

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The destruction of the Romulus system in 2387 took place in the future of TNG, after Nemesis and those four series. Nero and Spock got sucked into an alternate timeline, leaving the original intact and creating a new one.

 

[Captain Mike]

ALL this is simply reduced to one answer: Fuckhead Abrams needed his version of Alderan.

 

[MadBaggins]

Who is Fuckhead Abraams?

 

[Jeri]

We didn't really know anybody on Alderan, except the princess; and she was conspicuously absent for the debacle.

An impact at least an order of magnitude smaller for fans.

 

[Ovation]

Is Alderan a member of the Federation I don't know about?

 

[Squiggy]

Who is Fuckhead Abraams?

They guy who directed the critically acclaimed blockbuster that revived Star Trek.

 

[chardman]

Re: I don't think Vulcan was really destroyed

The Narada and Jellyfish went through the singularity, Vulcan collapsed and formed one. When the Narada was struck and formed a singularity it could not escape and was destroyed by the Enterprise. Vulcan is gone.

Exactly, Vulcan wasn't merely sucked into a black hole, as the ships were, but was made into a black hole. It is the mass from which the black hole was actually formed. Red Matter is merely the catalyst for this transformation.

 

[Trekker4747]

THINGS DON'T GET SUCKED INTO BLACKHOLES!!!!



You're not "sucked" into a blackhole anymore than you're "sucked into earth" when you jump off a cliff!

 

[Captain Mike]

Who is Fuckhead Abraams?

They guy who directed the critically acclaimed blockbuster that revived Star Trek.

You mean "Star Wars Trek"...

 

[Trekker4747]

Who is Fuckhead Abraams?

They guy who directed the critically acclaimed blockbuster that revived Star Trek.

You mean "Star Wars Trek"...

No, this is the Star Trek Wars.

 

[Squiggy]

Who is Fuckhead Abraams?

They guy who directed the critically acclaimed blockbuster that revived Star Trek.

You mean "Star Wars Trek"...

I mean "modern".

 

[Rusty0918]

Get over it...Vulcan is finished in this new universe (which BTW was one that Nero and Spock Prime went to in the first place, in my opinion.

 

[RoJoHen]

This chart rocks my world. I want to make a poster out of it and hang it on my wall.