I do not like MCU films

[Trekkin]

I think the reason why I'm cynical about the Nazi's being an influence of Supe's creation is because both the JS's were American, and were from Dutch and Lithuanian families. Generally speaking, The US (and even large parts of Europe) didn't become aware of a lot of the Nazi parties actions until around the turn of the decade. The government may have had some clue, but the public were getting bits and pieces. There's even American soldiers accounts of walking straight past the camps and having no idea what they were for.

Not saying they didn't know the Nazi were racist (for eg. Jesse Owens competing in the Olympics was in 1936), just whether they'd have known enough about what the Nazi's were doing in order to specifically motivate a 'stand.'

That, and Action Comics Supe's was more directly inspired Douglas Fairbanks, who would have been one of the childhood action heroes for most of the adults around at the time. Though funnily enough, I don't think I've ever seen a movie where he played an American.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Found a video on tumblr with an ugly clip of the Civil War trailer. Presumably from the Brazil showing.

http://blowmindreasons.tumblr.com/post/132171799435/piece-of-civil-war-trailer-version-2-with-sound

Cap finally says Assemble!

 

[Turtletrekker]

burton, nolan, and others have much better comic films than marvel. my problem with marvel is they set out to make dumb films because that is what sells, I just need something better.

the idea that mcu films are the best comic films out there is ludicrous to me. I think they are some of the worst.

And the rest of us should care about your non-substantiated opinions... why?

Write something interesting, or not at all.

Agreed. This thread is just a whine post. Oh, and that Burton and Nolan made "better" movies is all subjective. Nolan's Batman movies are slogs to me. Dark and dreary and humorless. I guess to some 14-year olds this equates to "mature".

 

[eyeresist]

I think the reason why I'm cynical about the Nazi's being an influence of Supe's creation is because both the JS's were American, and were from Dutch and Lithuanian families. Generally speaking, The US (and even large parts of Europe) didn't become aware of a lot of the Nazi parties actions until around the turn of the decade. The government may have had some clue, but the public were getting bits and pieces.

From what I've read, Jews were more aware than most of what was happening. They had good reason to pay more attention to news out of Germany than most, and also would have picked things up from the immigrant grapevine.

The name probably did come from Nietzsche, who was pretty well known at the time, and was touted by the Nazis as an influence. But it's also possible the word had become common currency, e.g. to describe a carnival weight lifter.

Possibly this subject has been addressed in a book somewhere....

I agree with Anwar. Cap has been one of the more progressive books. Tackling war, race and politics on a regular basis. My introduction to Cap was in the late Sixties/early Seventies with the issues that introduced the Falcon, the first African-American Superhero

Okay, I admit I don't know a lot about Cap first-hand. I probably know him best from his adventures with the Howling Commandos!

 

[Relayer1]

burton, nolan, and others have much better comic films than marvel.

marvel is they set out to make dumb films because that is what sells, I just need something better.

the idea that mcu films are the best comic films out there is ludicrous to me. I think they are some of the worst.

I dislike almost every film made by Burton and Nolan, not just their superhero entries. Ironically, The Dark Knight is pretty much the only exception.

Marvel don't make dumb films. Some aren't very demanding, but they're not dumb. They're well written and well made. Some are better than others. None of them are like The Transformers franchise.

You do think they're some of the worst - you're entitled to. That doesn't make your opinion considered, rational, objective or correct.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

He was created by Americans for a British audience. Though writer Claremont was born in Britain, he was raised in America.

Wasn't he created by Alan Davis?

 

[The Old Mixer]

Superman was an empowerment fantasy that was initially informed more by the Great Depression than what was going on in Europe. He was very anti-establishment in his earliest stories...becoming more "all-American" as America got involved in the war.

 

[Forbin]

Supes and Cap are quite different in terms of name/title. Supes is literally superior physically and (because he is the hero) morally.

And he happens to be in American colors and stand up for American values. It's stated in every introduction he's for "The American Way!"

Is yellow an American colour?

Red, yellow and blue...
Truth, justice, and the Romanian way?

 

[Cyke101]

He was created by Americans for a British audience. Though writer Claremont was born in Britain, he was raised in America.

I had always known since the 90s that he was born in Britain, but I was shocked a few years ago when I found out that he didn't actually have a British accent! Of course, that's because the vast majority of his life was spent as an American, but still.

Marvel don't make dumb films. Some aren't very demanding, but they're not dumb. They're well written and well made. Some are better than others. None of them are like The Transformers franchise.

Agreed. From a production standpoint, they've all been consistent and expertly made. Yeah, there are some clunkers here and there storywise, but the worst Marvel movie frankly has way more thought put into it than most other similar big budget movies, too.

He was created by Americans for a British audience. Though writer Claremont was born in Britain, he was raised in America.

Wasn't he created by Alan Davis?

He was created by Americans Herb Trimpe and Chris Claremont, but Alan Davis drew some of his best and most memorable stories ever like it, and then the Marvel UK verse was more or less built around the character. With Alan Moore, they essentially took the concept and vastly improved upon it, as if it was their creation.

 

[Dales]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

I prefer to say Marvel is fun and DC is morose.

But seriously, there is only one DCU movie so far. Really can't draw a lot of useful comparisons franchise a franchise.

No we cant but we can take the words of both companies without a grain of salt. DC is more serious and Marvel is more kiddie and light. marvel is going down the disney root and dc is going down the nolan root.

 

[Nerys Myk]

As Alan Moore is want to do.

 

[JD]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

We still don't know how serious all of the DC movies are actually going to be though. Sure the trailers for Suicide Squad and BvS look pretty dark, but we still have no idea what the final product will be. Hell, BvS has Jesse Eisenberg in it, whose done a lot of comedies, so for all we know his Lex Luthor could be spouting off one liners every time he's one screen. We already saw the rather sarcastic "the red capes are coming" line in the trailer, so there's already a bit of evidence with that he might not be a totally serious character. We still don't even know exactly what kind of tone they're going for with Aquaman, Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Cyborg, or Shazam.
And even Suicide Squad has Joker and Harley Quinn who are often presented as often jokey (no pun intended), characters. Granted they've also been presented as very dark characters, but we really didn't get enough extended footage of them to get a true feeling for the SS versions of the characters.

 

[Gaith]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

No we cant but we can take the words of both companies without a grain of salt. DC is more serious and Marvel is more kiddie and light. marvel is going down the disney root and dc is going down the nolan root.

You already said that in your first post, and now you're just repeating yourself without adding anything. Got anything else to say?

(Also, movies for adults ≠ movies of intelligence and substance.)

 

[gblews]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

I prefer to say Marvel is fun and DC is morose.

But seriously, there is only one DCU movie so far. Really can't draw a lot of useful comparisons franchise a franchise.

No we cant but we can take the words of both companies without a grain of salt. DC is more serious and Marvel is more kiddie and light. marvel is going down the disney root and dc is going down the nolan root.

Just realized you're the same poster who started the "I hate MCU Films" thread. The bottom just dropped out of your credibility in this thread.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

Marvel, Fox and WB are all competing for the same audience.

Don't believe me?

Just compare the MPAA ratings.

The 12 MCU films are all rate PG-13.

All 7 X-Men films are rated PG-13.

The Nolan Batman Trilogy, MOS and BvS are all rated PG-13.


That's right, GOTG and Ant-Man have the same rating as MOS and BvS.


So I reject the notion that MCU = Light, and WB + Fox = Dark.


If you want dark properties, look for R-rated movies and tv series.

Deadpool
Watchmen
V For Vendetta
300
Blade Trilogy
MCU Daredevil
MCU Jessica Jones

Sticking with the last two on my list. I found this quote months ago, and I'll share it with you here.

You know… When the folks at Marvel have a show that contains a guy getting decapitated by a car door, spousal and child abuse, human trafficking, drug cartels with blinded workers, and a sweet old lady getting murdered for not leaving her home… You don’t really get to complain about DC being “too dark”.

Also, compare the posters of Jessica Jones and Supergirl. One looks like this.

And the other like this.

So, I reject this notion of totem poling the different comic book properties based solely on their perceived target audiences. All movie companies want the same thing, and different properties merit different approaches. For instance; last year a lot of people touted and still do, GOTG as a major success for being a light-hearted action romp, that made more money than MOS, which many perceive as being "dark". However, what they ignore is that GOTG also out performed X-Man Days of Future Past, Captain America TWS and The Amazing Spider-Man 2. I defy anyone to argue that X-Men and Captain America didn't make as much money as GOTG, because the former two lacked more light moments and comedy. The stories X-Men and Captain America were telling that year, didn't merit the kind of tone or approach used in GOTG. Does that make GOTG better? No. Captain America and X-Men both had stellar performances and delivered the best movies they could, with the subject matter they used.


Comic book properties and genres exist in a spectrum. If they were all the same, we the audience would get bored. It's great that there is so much variety for a number of audiences to choose.

 

[Gaith]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

^ To be fair, TDK and TDKR should have been R-rated, but the MPAA is too spineless to not let a Batman movie bend the PG-13 rating past all sanity.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

^ To be fair, TDK and TDKR should have been R-rated, but the MPAA is too spineless to not let a Batman movie bend the PG-13 rating past all sanity.

Really? I felt Tim Burton's Batman Returns, should've definitely been rated-R. Maybe even TDK too. TDKRises was tame compared to the aforementioned two.

 

[Dales]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

Marvel, Fox and WB are all competing for the same audience.

Don't believe me?

Just compare the MPAA ratings.

The 12 MCU films are all rate PG-13.

All 7 X-Men films are rated PG-13.

The Nolan Batman Trilogy, MOS and BvS are all rated PG-13.


That's right, GOTG and Ant-Man have the same rating as MOS and BvS.


So I reject the notion that MCU = Light, and WB + Fox = Dark.


If you want dark properties, look for R-rated movies and tv series.

Deadpool
Watchmen
V For Vendetta
300
Blade Trilogy
MCU Daredevil
MCU Jessica Jones

Sticking with the last two on my list. I found this quote months ago, and I'll share it with you here.

You know… When the folks at Marvel have a show that contains a guy getting decapitated by a car door, spousal and child abuse, human trafficking, drug cartels with blinded workers, and a sweet old lady getting murdered for not leaving her home… You don’t really get to complain about DC being “too dark”.

Also, compare the posters of Jessica Jones and Supergirl. One looks like this.

And the other like this.

So, I reject this notion of totem poling the different comic book properties based solely on their perceived target audiences. All movie companies want the same thing, and different properties merit different approaches. For instance; last year a lot of people touted and still do, GOTG as a major success for being a light-hearted action romp, that made more money than MOS, which many perceive as being "dark". However, what they ignore is that GOTG also out performed X-Man Days of Future Past, Captain America TWS and The Amazing Spider-Man 2. I defy anyone to argue that X-Men and Captain America didn't make as much money as GOTG, because the former two lacked more light moments and comedy. The stories X-Men and Captain America were telling that year, didn't merit the kind of tone or approach used in GOTG. Does that make GOTG better? No. Captain America and X-Men both had stellar performances and delivered the best movies they could, with the subject matter they used.


Comic book properties and genres exist in a spectrum. If they were all the same, we the audience would get bored. It's great that there is so much variety for a number of audiences to choose.

Just because a film makes more money does not mean it is a better film. GOTG also came out in august with no real competition but instead had the mcu disney machine marketing formula.


GOTG was space junk. fluff,colorful,actiony with some quippy 1 liners. GOTG is what officially sealed MCU as a kiddie franchise. Ultron was just the desert. GOTG the main meal.

 

[Kor]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

^ To be fair, TDK and TDKR should have been R-rated, but the MPAA is too spineless to not let a Batman movie bend the PG-13 rating past all sanity.

In some countries, TDK got a more restrictive rating than in the US. I think in Finland, it got an age 16 certification, which is the most restrictive rating they have. Also, in other countries, ratings are set by government-affiliated censor boards rather than an industry body like the MPAA.

But as far as US ratings go, there was absolutely nothing shown directly on screen in TDK that hadn't already appeared in lots of PG and PG-13 movies already. Yes, it was brooding and intense, but there was certainly no gore, dismemberment, or the like. In fact, the original Indiana Jones trilogy was more gruesome than The Dark Knight.

Kor

 

[martok2112]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

Yawn.

...next.