I do not like MCU films

[Mage]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

*sigh*

No.


You know what.... Little edit...

This is bullshit. We haven't even SEEN a DC Cinematic Universe Movie, except for Man Of Steel. And that was made before they decided to make a movie franchise to cash in on the MCU financial succes. So you know what, this comparison is already useless. The only really big DC hit has been the Nolan Batman trilogy, and the tv-shows. The 'empire' they are trying to build with the movies slated to come over the next few years, we have no clue as how they are going to feel.

Feige talked about darker trailers. Well, when it comes to the DC movies we've only seen trailers, that's it. No actual movies to talk about.

How about we try this in 5 years, when several movies have been released and we actually have something to compare the MCU with?

Now, stop making all of us hate the MCU as much as you do.

 

[Magellan]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

I prefer to say Marvel is fun and DC is morose.

But seriously, there is only one DCU movie so far. Really can't draw a lot of useful comparisons franchise a franchise.

 

[kitik]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

And then there's Jessica Jones.

 

[kitik]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

But seriously, there is only one DCU movie so far. Really can't draw a lot of useful comparisons franchise a franchise.

Weren't WB hoping that Green Lantern would be the start of the DCCU?

 

[JD]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

I did make a comment about the DC movies looking like they're targeting an older audience in the Suicide Squad thread, but I don't know if I'd go this far. From the little bits we've seen in the trailers DC does appear to be going darker, but we still haven't seen enough to really judge. Even if they are darker, that doesn't mean they're "for adults", there are a lot of "kids movies" that get pretty dark.
Just because something is lighter doesn't mean it's for kids. There are plenty of light, R rated movies that I wouldn't dream of letting kids watch.

 

[Dales]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

*sigh*

No.


You know what.... Little edit...

This is bullshit. We haven't even SEEN a DC Cinematic Universe Movie, except for Man Of Steel. And that was made before they decided to make a movie franchise to cash in on the MCU financial succes. So you know what, this comparison is already useless. The only really big DC hit has been the Nolan Batman trilogy, and the tv-shows. The 'empire' they are trying to build with the movies slated to come over the next few years, we have no clue as how they are going to feel.

Feige talked about darker trailers. Well, when it comes to the DC movies we've only seen trailers, that's it. No actual movies to talk about.

How about we try this in 5 years, when several movies have been released and we actually have something to compare the MCU with?

Now, stop making all of us hate the MCU as much as you do.

Man of Steel was a very dark and gritty film and very serious. DC succeeded in this film even on villains alone. Zod was a real threat. Marvel has ruined all their villains and when villains are messed up the seriousness of the films crumbles.

Ultron

Manderian

Loki

the villain from GOTG where skylord had to sing and dance in front of him thereby telling us that the villain is not to be taken seriously. i think this shows how light hearted marvel films are and the jokes and out of place humour does not help.

Sentinels in DOFP is how you do evil robots that want to wipe out humanity not Ultron. DC and Xmen seems more for adults and marvel is more for kids.

 

[Kor]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

I enjoy both franchises (except for the Green Lantern movie ).

I don't think everything needs to be dark, heavy, pretentious, and joyless.
Sometimes I just want to be entertained, and the MCU is great in this regard. Is there anything wrong with that?

Overall, I actually prefer Brian Singer's X-Men movies for their high entertainment value while making you stop and think about real issues, but without sinking hopelessly into the profound depths of depressing angst and despair.

"Please, we need you to hope again." - one of the best lines of dialog in any superhero movie, IMO.

Kor

 

[JD]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

Just because something is lighthearted and has lot of humor doesn't mean it's for kids. There are thousands of R rated comedy's out there that are definitely not for kids. I don't have kids, but I know if I did I wouldn't assume that just because they have humor, movies like Porky's, American Pie, or Revenge of the Nerds are for kids.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

Dales, I would say the premise is correct, if we compare the current MCU with MoS, the Nolan Batman, and i'm guessing Dawn of Justice. Marvel's recent generation of films are not as emotionally mature as say, the unrelated Raimi Spider-Man films, which placed its leads through--dare I say it--soap opera problems & emotionalism, which plays as more serious than the MCU.

While some Marvel movies have moments of edge--usually in the Captain America movies (their best films by far), the rest employ the kind of lighter weight drama one would find in the G.I. Joe or Thundercats cartoons from the 80's. This is not saying the MCU is the mirror of the worthless Transformers movies.

No, some are entertaining in parts. But the great irony of it all is that the MCU films--whether examined as individual films, or as whole, most of the MCU is not keeping with the "realistic" superhero characters self-trumpeted by Marvel for decades, while DC is capturing that tone in the recent generation of movies.

Maybe Civil War will end the lightweight feel, and steer the next wave of Marvel movies into a darker direction. Considering all that happens in the Civil War print version, there's enough to move the MCU in a more mature direction.

 

[kirk55555]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

Just because something is lighthearted and has lot of humor doesn't mean it's for kids. There are thousands of R rated comedy's out there that are definitely not for kids. I don't have kids, but I know if I did I wouldn't assume that just because they have humor, movies like Porky's, American Pie, or Revenge of the Nerds are for kids.

This x1000. Marvel is lighthearted, but it doesn't means its a kids movie franchise. Just like how being dark, violent and/or moody doesn't make a movie/series "adult" (by that I mean being dark/gritty doesn't make a movie something adults automatically want, or make the movies themselves more "mature" story wise). I prefer Marvel's approach by a mile, and a lot of adults love them. sure, kids can enjoy most of them, but I'd say they are firmly PG-13, which doesn't make them "for kiddies", just because everyone isn't brooding and killing constantly doesn't make them more or less "adult" movies.

 

[Dales]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

Dales, I would say the premise is correct, if we compare the current MCU with MoS, the Nolan Batman, and i'm guessing Dawn of Justice. Marvel's recent generation of films are not as emotionally mature as say, the unrelated Raimi Spider-Man films, which placed its leads through--dare I say it--soap opera problems & emotionalism, which plays as more serious than the MCU.

While some Marvel movies have moments of edge--usually in the Captain America movies (their best films by far), the rest employ the kind of lighter weight drama one would find in the G.I. Joe or Thundercats cartoons from the 80's. This is not saying the MCU is the mirror of the worthless Transformers movies.

No, some are entertaining in parts. But the great irony of it all is that the MCU films--whether examined as individual films, or as whole, most of the MCU is not keeping with the "realistic" superhero characters self-trumpeted by Marvel for decades, while DC is capturing that tone in the recent generation of movies.

Maybe Civil War will end the lightweight feel, and steer the next wave of Marvel movies into a darker direction. Considering all that happens in the Civil War print version, there's enough to move the MCU in a more mature direction.

Yes I agree, one thing that bothered me in age of ultron is how they were making jokes all the time. I thought it was a gag reel not edited out of the final film and Ultron giving one liners and trying to make the audience laugh even in near destruction. I hated the iron man and hulk fight which made me happy about Simon Pegg, who basically flat out said the films was a kids film.

Pegg on Age of Ultron:

"Films used to be about challenging, emotional journeys or moral questions that might make you walk away and re-evaluate how you felt about … whatever," he said.

"Now we're walking out of the cinema really not thinking about anything, other than the fact that the Hulk just had a fight with a robot,""Now we're essentially all consuming very childish things comic books, superheroes. Adults are watching this stuff, and taking it seriously, "

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...gg-superhero-movies-dumbing-article-1.2227838

the way hulk gets knocked out by Iron Man was so silly and basically a joke because the screen goes black immediately. I am not surprised Pegg called the film childish. it was.

 

[hux]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

When a man with a giant green penis is smashing into buildings, I'm not sure one can view it as anything other than... light-hearted silliness.

Making these characters "dark and serious" is when you've truly assumed that your audience is an infantilised group of half-wits.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

"Mommy, what's a 'mewling quim'?"

 

[Silvercrest]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

Hush, sweetie, and drink your beer.

 

[Garak]

Re: DC Films for Adults and Marvel films for Kiddies?

I think it's great we get a sampling of both.

 

[eyeresist]

The character is called Captain America. That issue is never going away.

Yeah, and? I mean really, how is "Captain America" so much more of a propaganda thing than "Superman"? People should be willing to look past the skin to see the real character.

Supes and Cap are quite different in terms of name/title. Supes is literally superior physically and (because he is the hero) morally. Cap represents the virtues of a specific nation, which it is implied is morally superior to all others.
The irony of Captain America's position is interesting to explore, and has been done so, but you can't be ironic all the time because there is an underlying sincerity in the character's conception, so there are always times when he is an unironic flag-waving patriot for a particular nation, rather than a universal hero.

The character is called Captain America. That issue is never going away.

I never understood the issue? I never had an issue with Captain Britain.

Don't know much about him, but had the impression that character was more ironic in intention (as you might expect from the British).

 

[Anwar]

Considering he originated as a villainous character (before being remodelled), was created in 1933 and first appeared in his classic form in 1938, I doubt it had anything to do with WW2.

Anti-Semitic Nazi Ideology that offended Jewish people was around before WWII officially started.

The character is called Captain America. That issue is never going away.

Yeah, and? I mean really, how is "Captain America" so much more of a propaganda thing than "Superman"? People should be willing to look past the skin to see the real character.

Supes and Cap are quite different in terms of name/title. Supes is literally superior physically and (because he is the hero) morally.

And he happens to be in American colors and stand up for American values. It's stated in every introduction he's for "The American Way!"

Cap represents the virtues of a specific nation, which it is implied is morally superior to all others.

Difference being that within his own stories it's made clear he was meant to be a deliberate propaganda icon to help inspire the War Effort in America, and what this entails is actually explored.

The irony of Captain America's position is interesting to explore, and has been done so, but you can't be ironic all the time because there is an underlying sincerity in the character's conception, so there are always times when he is an unironic flag-waving patriot for a particular nation, rather than a universal hero.

Superman is more often then not portrayed as an unambiguous flag-waver for America, much more than Cap is. Cap's stories have been pretty progressive and anti-nationalistic since he was revived in the 1960s.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Because his entire existence is owed to formerly being a piece of wartime propaganda, whereas Superman doesn't?

And yes, I am aware that they did end up using Suoerman (and every other piece of available pop culture) for propaganda purposes.

Of course, The Last Son of Krypton is really a piece Kryptonian propaganda...and on other days, a walking advertisement for American steel.

Actually, wasn't Superman deliberately created (by his Jewish creators) as a deliberate mockery of the Ubermensch concept the Nazis had been spouting for years? He's the "Superman" they talk about (though he's more in common character-wise with Nietzsche's idea of the Last Man) but he fights Nazis.

I don't think he was. They had been playing around with the "Superman" character for a while. They were probably more influenced by the pulp magazines and SF books they read rather than Nietzsche. Though one of their earliest stories had Superman capturing Hitler and Stalin to place them on trial. So there was an awareness of what was happening Europe.

Just like how Steve was deliberately given the ideal Aryan appearance.

I think they were going for "All-American" not Aryan.

The character is called Captain America. That issue is never going away.

I never understood the issue? I never had an issue with Captain Britain.

Don't know much about him, but had the impression that character was more ironic in intention (as you might expect from the British).

He was created by Americans for a British audience. Though writer Claremont was born in Britain, he was raised in America.

Considering he originated as a villainous character (before being remodelled), was created in 1933 and first appeared in his classic form in 1938, I doubt it had anything to do with WW2.

Anti-Semitic Nazi Ideology that offended Jewish people was around before WWII officially started.

Yep the war started before America got officially involved. And the Nazi horrors before that. Cap himself predated American entry into the war as well. The comic was a pro-involvement propaganda.

Supes and Cap are quite different in terms of name/title. Supes is literally superior physically and (because he is the hero) morally.

And he happens to be in American colors and stand up for American values. It's stated in every introduction he's for "The American Way!"

Superman wears Blue and red with a dash of yellow not red, white and blue. The colors might have more to do with the printing process rather than patriotism. The American Way is from Radio and TV and not part of the original comic.

 

[eyeresist]

Supes and Cap are quite different in terms of name/title. Supes is literally superior physically and (because he is the hero) morally.

And he happens to be in American colors and stand up for American values. It's stated in every introduction he's for "The American Way!"

Is yellow an American colour? The "American Way" was only used in the Reeves series and some of the animations IIRC.

Cap represents the virtues of a specific nation, which it is implied is morally superior to all others.

Difference being that within his own stories it's made clear he was meant to be a deliberate propaganda icon to help inspire the War Effort in America, and what this entails is actually explored.

That was a retcon.

Cap's stories have been pretty progressive and anti-nationalistic since he was revived in the 1960s.

I disagree.

Don't know much about him, but had the impression that character was more ironic in intention (as you might expect from the British).

He was created by Americans for a British audience. Though writer Claremont was born in Britain, he was raised in America.

Sorry, I was thinking of the Marvel UK run.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Cap's stories have been pretty progressive and anti-nationalistic since he was revived in the 1960s.

I disagree.

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I agree with Anwar. Cap has been one of the more progressive books. Tackling war, race and politics on a regular basis. My introduction to Cap was in the late Sixties/early Seventies with the issues that introduced the Falcon, the first African-American Superhero, and they quickly promoted him to costar status with his name in the masthead. To me the book will always be "Captain America and the Falcon". That run included the classic storyline were Steve Rogers gives up the Cap identity because of political corruption at the highest level.