Is this a... joke?
"I can have fun when I'm sober"
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Is this a... joke?
Not even when you're younger? Can I ask why?
Or maybe I'm interpreting this differently. I didn't drink because my parents didn't want me to (among other things), and I waited until I was older to consider whether I wanted to or not. I have had some bad experiences with alcohol because of other people, but I'm pretty satisfied with my own experiences about all of it.
I'm relatively sure that he's joking.
Funnily enough. I've been drinking myself, so I wouldn't be able to tell the difference right now!
Funnily enough. I've been drinking myself, so I wouldn't be able to tell the difference right now!
Well, I'm sober and still not entirely sure.
My parents didn't tell me anything regarding alcohol really. And they drank enough when the family got together that alcohol wasn't shunned or anything. But I decided on my own not to drink when I was a teen, because, well, I just didn't feel like it. It didn't seem necessary or worth it. But I didn't go through some "doing crazy shit" phase like a lot of teenagers seem to have done. I was pretty well-behaved and cared more about school than anything else. Not because my parents or friends urged me to be that way, but because that's just who I am.
I did drink in college, but I didn't find it all that glamorous and I rarely drink now.
I did drink in college, but I didn't find it all that glamorous and I rarely drink now.
This is mostly my experience as well. However we diverge during college. That's when I started enjoying a drink or two, and I have ever since. I happen to agree with Alidar Jarok. There's something comforting about rebellious behavior. I don't like obedience to authority. It reminds me too much of a Brave New World.
That's sort of the opposite of what I'm talking about. I'm not saying Drink if your parents tell you not to. I'm saying don't be sober because your parents want you to be sober. If you want to not drink, that's cool (one shouldn't be pressured into drinking), but do it because that's your choice, not because your parents tell you to do it. Basically, make up your own mind.
So, I'm not joking, but I did phrase it in a sort of joking way (I'm parodying the idea of all those school assemblies talking about your friends pressuring you into drinking by talking about your parents pressuring you into staying sober). BTW, I don't think people should reject the idea of having fun sober. Having fun sober is a good thing and alcoholism is a bad thing. And peer pressuring someone into doing something they don't want to do is a terrible thing. But a little rebellion from authority isn't a bad thing, imo.
I'm troubled by, and do not agree with, the notion that it's ever a good thing to ignore your parents. 
I'm sorry, but this entire thing is dumb.
My parents told me to look both ways before crossing the street. But according to you guys I should have closed my eyes and blindly run across the street from time to time?
And the fact that I didn't makes you guys sad?
This has everything to do with safety as opposed to rebellion. Teenagers have no idea how to handle alcohol and the stats show it. We have huge amounts of teens with alcohol poisoning and the number of drunk driving incidents is massive. You want to rebel? Stay out later or something. But encouraging teens (who are now drinking as young as 14) is not just dumb but plain dangerous.
That's right. We're encouraging all youngsters to rebel against common sense survival techniques. You are trying to build a straw man and I think you know that.
It's not a strawman. Alcohol related deaths is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, killers of adolescents so the analogy does work.
sidious618 gets it.
If you weren't advocating something dangerous I wouldn't have used something dangerous in my analogy.
You're gonna say drinking's not that dangerous. Well, it's not like there's always a car coming down my street. I could survive that plenty of times. Also, the cars would probably brake. I'd say they're similarly dangerous.
And even so, making one's *parents* into a strawman is no better....
I'm sorry, are you really trying to compare NOT LOOKING WHEN YOU CROSS THE STREET, to having a few drinks? Because I'd take my chances having a beer before I would just running out into the middle of public street without looking. It's a straw man plain and simple.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, now we're talking about having a few beers. The OP is talking about being outright drunk. You can't just change the level of what we're discussing and not tell us.
Yeah, I thought the whole POINT here is that we're talking about teens who are being safe are boring.
Aren't we talking about teens rebelling and doing dangerous things? Did we change the point of the conversation somewhere?
I agree. And, y'know what? If you're just taking a sip of beer and you're under the impression that you're asserting yourself and being a rebel you're wrong. Unless your parents actually find out about it you're not rebeling; you're doing something behind their back and afraid they might find out. If you want to rebel then down the bottle right in front of them. This whole drinking to rebel is moronic because it clearly has nothing to do with rebeling.
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