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I am watching DS9 for the first time (some observations)

OK, I'm back and I've finally finished watching "Cardassians". This early in DS9's run, I find myself most enjoying the episodes that flesh out the Bajor/Cardassia situation. Here we see another little facet of life post-Occupation, and a subject that I don't believe Star Trek has broached before, war orphans and what happens to them in the confusion of a post-war scenario. In the case of Cardassian orphans, they are abandoned by their people, left to be cared for by those sympathetic few among those who would regard them as blood enemies.

Toss in a little political intrigue and the fact that we don't see Rugal come around on his anti-Cardassian prejudice in the typical "Wrap-it-up-by-episode's-end" manner, and we have a fairly decent episode, if not necessarily an exceptional one.
 
Yes yes, but how do you feel about Sisko's decision? :p
I think Sisko made the only decision he could make. It's implied not to have been an easy one, weighing the loving care Rugal received from his adoptive parents against reuniting a father with the son he believed had died. Padar had the right to have his son back, considering he lost Rugal in circumstances that were being used to manipulate him.

It's hard to say what will happen to Rugal since either choice has its' pluses and minuses. If he remains on Bajor, even with loving parents, he likely would continue to nurture his hatred of Cardassians while always being in denial about himself. On Cardassia, he would be reunited with his father, but he would be surrounded by people he despised, and certainly struggling to fit into a culture he doesn't know on a world he doesn't consider home.
 
Watched “Melora” last night, and I have some mixed feelings about it.

I appreciate what this episode is trying to do in addressing the issue of people with disabilities; people have the right to be treated with respect no matter what they can or cannot do. The crew accepts Melora as she is even as she chooses to be defensive. Also, I like that Melora chooses to decline the normal-gravity treatments, and those around her (Dr. Bashir, in particular) respect the decision as hers to make.

That said, there’s something about this episode that doesn’t quite click for me, but I’m not sure exactly what it is. Maybe it’s the B-plot with Quark and Fallit that exists solely to pay off the A-plot, so it doesn’t have quite the tension it should.

Maybe it’s that at the back of my mind, I have trouble buying the idea of Starfleet putting someone on a deep space assignment to whom they would have to be so acommodating. I understand wanting to depict Starfleet as being inclusive, but at the same time, there must be a limit to how much someone can be accommodated before it becomes impractical.

Maybe it’s that the episode has a somewhat confusing message regarding Melora’s condition. At first, Melora very much doesn’t want to be defined by needing her braces and chair. She longs to be independent of them and jumps at the opportunity with Bashir’s neurostimulant treatment. However, once she begins her treatments and begins to realize how much they will change her (including not being able to go home again), she begins to have doubts. She fears losing a part of herself.

Would a person who was confined to a wheelchair do whatever they could to get out of their chair even if it radically changed who they were as a person? Some might; others might not. Some might resent the idea of getting out of the chair as marking them as people needing to be fixed, whole others might want that opportunity. In the end, maybe it’s that there’s no single satisfying answer that feels the episode feel lacking, beyond perhaps the idea of accepting oneself.

At the very least, DS9 deserves credit for addressing the issue of disability, even if perhaps it never quite gels the way they might’ve hoped it would.
 
I think Sisko made the only decision he could make. It's implied not to have been an easy one, weighing the loving care Rugal received from his adoptive parents against reuniting a father with the son he believed had died. Padar had the right to have his son back, considering he lost Rugal in circumstances that were being used to manipulate him.

It's hard to say what will happen to Rugal since either choice has its' pluses and minuses. If he remains on Bajor, even with loving parents, he likely would continue to nurture his hatred of Cardassians while always being in denial about himself. On Cardassia, he would be reunited with his father, but he would be surrounded by people he despised, and certainly struggling to fit into a culture he doesn't know on a world he doesn't consider home.

Oh, BTW, if you liked Rugal's plight here, you should read "The Neverending Sacrifice", but wait until you're done with the series.

Few DS9 novels do a better job of giving Cardassia's perspective on events.
 
Some quick notes on the last couple of episodes I’ve watched:

“Rules of Acquisition”- An interesting episode which delves deeper into Quark as a character and Ferengi culture as a whole.

I like that we’re beginning to see a better side of Quark, even as we see him being torn between doing the right thing and trying to be a “good Ferengi”. Quark appreciates Pel’s advice and is mildly perturbed by Pel's obvious interest in him but not so much that he cannot accept Pel’s advice until he finds out Pel’s actually female.

Even as Quark knows they could both be in enormous trouble, he wants to protect Pel from retribution and save his own hide at the same time, which he does thanks to some Ferengi conniving and a little blackmail. He’s not interested in bringing about social change and has the conviction that Pel has done wrong, but he also can’t allow himself to stand by and do nothing, or sell Pel out to the Nagus in some CYA tactic. He may an unapologetic traditonal Ferengi, but he cares about Pel, at least enough to let her go and make her own way.

Quark is becoming more complex as time moves along, and I appreciate that the show is starting to flesh out its supporting characters, a theme that nicely segues into the following episode.

One quick final point: this episode also gives us our first reference to the Dominion, so if nothing else, it has the important distinction of making the first baby steps into what will become one of the show’s most crucial elements down the road.

“Necessary Evil”- Any episode that delves into the Bajoran/Cardassian situation is going to get a little extra love from me. I like that we also begin to get some backstory for both Kira and Odo.

So much of the episode is its atmosphere. The director does a good job of contrasting life on the station under the Cardassians and under Bajoran/Federation control. With some redressing and darker lighting, life on Terok Nor feels oppressive and hard; the whole environment of the station feels heavier during the Occupation. Every space we see on the station feels smaller during the Occupation scenes.

The most important element of this episode is that the audience sees how the non-Starfleet portion of the cast first came together. Odo is drafted by Gul Dukat into investigating a murder, Kira is his first suspect, and Quark gives her an alibi. We learn that Odo has functioned as an unofficial arbiter among the Bajorans on the station, which Dukat manipulates to his advantage. When Dukat first introduces himself to Odo, he can’t look Dukat in the eye. He almost seems afraid of Dukat, but it could also be interpreted as shyness rather than fear. Odo doesn’t like the Cardassians or being thought of as working for them, but the role Dukat gives him as an investigator will reshape the course of his life from that time forward as he proves himself to be capable and honest in his assigned role. Ironically, the accusation of his working for the Cardassians (by Kira, no less) would lead to his discovery of the motive behind the murder and the involvement of genuine collaborators who sold out the Bajoran people to their oppressors for purely selfish gain.

A major theme of this episode is trust, and more specifically, how trust can be used and abused. In their first encounter, Odo learns that he cannot trust Quark, since Quark will do nearly anything if the price is right. Kira manages to convince Odo that she isn’t responsible for Vaatrick’s murder until the truth comes out years later, leaving her to ask how this has affected his trust in her. The episode ends without Odo giving her an answer. Vaatrick’s widow is blackmailing certain Bajoran people in exchange for her silence in knowing their roles as collaborators during the Occupation. The episode even starts with a conversation between Quark and Rom (while performing a secret job on someone else’s behalf) that betrays how Quark doesn’t entirely trust his brother, forcing Rom to perform underhanded deeds that would only serve to reinforce that distrust.

Overall, a good episode although we never learn what happens to the parties involved in Odo’s investigation when the truth regarding Kira’s involvement comes to life. She manages to escape serious consequence but it does create something of a plot hole moving forward.
 
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Although I don't want to "spoil" anything for you, I will say this: Odo will forgive Kira for anything and, in fact, he will do anything for her(which is unfortunate for the 8000).
 
As for Quark becoming more caring of others, you have awhile to go before Season 6 and Sacrifice of Angels.
 
Oh, BTW, if you liked Rugal's plight here, you should read "The Neverending Sacrifice", but wait until you're done with the series.

Few DS9 novels do a better job of giving Cardassia's perspective on events.

The novel is epic. It's like watching a 3 1/2 hour movie when you're done. It did a lot with the minor characters on the show and made them seem very real. It could almost stand alone on its own as a book.

If you read it after watching the series, it will feel like watching a whole movie.
 
I love the fact the first mention of the Dominion is in a "Ferengi episode", which are typically seen as more comedic episodes or ones that don't affect much else outside of Ferengi characters. That we hear about this mysterious new super power is the first tasty morsel to whet the appetite of the viewers, on a week that many might not have thought would give them much to remember.
 
I love the fact the first mention of the Dominion is in a "Ferengi episode", which are typically seen as more comedic episodes or ones that don't affect much else outside of Ferengi characters. That we hear about this mysterious new super power is the first tasty morsel to whet the appetite of the viewers, on a week that many might not have thought would give them much to remember.

I agree even ''the Jem Hadar'' started as a comedy
 
Echoing the above. If the Dominion had been introduced in "The Jem'hadar" it would have worked fine, but it really impressed me that TPTB begin foreshadowing them in "Rules of Acquisition" and "Sanctuary". And I love that "The Jem'hadar" starts out as a lightweight episode before taking an abrupt left turn and just raising the stakes for the rest of the episode, until by the end you know that the series itself has taken a detour on par with the events of "Q Who".
 
I’m almost done with Season 5. It’s been a terrific season...probably my favorite so far. It’s taken me almost exactly 2 months to get this far. Really enjoyin* DS9 especially the further I get into it.

On to Season 6 !
 
I've just re-watched season two, and I'm almost half way done with season three. I really enjoyed season two. There was a definite change in season three when Piller ceded to Behr and Peter Allen Fields and other writers left. I enjoyed the later seasons but somehow the show feels less mature going forward. In the second year the approach to the writing and the humor seems more restrained, the episodes were serious explorations of problems, and each episode seemed unique from the other. When one binges the later serialized episodes they can feel like one indistinguishable blur. Klingons and Romulans and The Dominion every week.

I thought the characters' romances in season two were handled with warmth and subtlety. Even Quark's romances were intelligently written and serious. I really liked Pel from "Rules of Acquisition", and I even enjoyed Quark's romance with the Cardassian woman in "Profit and Loss". While I never liked Verek Bariel there's a real charm to his early scenes with Kira when he expresses interest in her, in "The Circle" and "Shadowplay".

The characters changed in subtle ways over the years. In season two Odo has his vulnerabilities but he was somewhat of the idealized outsider figure. I preferred him that way before he began to pine away in unrequited love for Kira. "Necessary Evil" works on many levels, one being the story of the origin of Odo's and Kira's strong platonic friendship.
 
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During my recent re-watch "Crossover" stood out. I think "Crossover" is one of DS9's best directed episodes and a worthy sequel to "Mirror Mirror". I liked the stylish low camera angles, the cinematography, and the stark contrast between good and evil. In the mirror universe the "Terrans" are oppressed and degraded. The Alliance is decadent and corrupt. Kirk meant well but he created a dark future for mankind. Of course only two lead characters can undo the damage and reveal the way to freedom. It's a good stand alone adventure where the characters go to a strange place and get home safe and sound. If only they had stopped with "Through The Looking Glass.."
 
I think "Crossover" is pretty great as well, and doesn't deserve to be lumped in with the DS9 MU episodes in any negative context, which I think is the tendency. The standout shot for me is when the runabout is fleeing the station and it recedes into the distance behind them; I'm not sure we ever saw a shot like that at any other point in the series.

I rather like the direction the novels have taken that universe as well, FWIW. They even revisited Bashir's treatment of Odo in a manner I wasn't expecting.
 
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