I am starting to really warm up to TOS
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Yep, pretty much.
Cheesy Styrofoam rocks? Come one NOTHING is better that the custuming done for Friday's Child - with the rug and drapery scraps sewen on from the local Carpeteria store.
What is really cheesy are the plastic place mats used as armor in the episode Elaan of Troyius.
Actually it may be cheese but very creative for the limited budget they had to work with.
TNG looks dated, especially the early seasons, as it is very 1980's, but I cant agree that DS9 onwards is dated.
Never thought of TNG ever looking dated myself or the other show after it. TOS looks dated because of the fake looking aliens and cheap computers. Enterprise is meant to be the prequel to all of these and because of updated filming techniques it makes TOS ever more ancient. But who cares, it's still a great show and I love watchng it whenever I get the chance.
It's not just that TNG looks dated, but that the entire series puts forward a 'baby Boomer Generation hits their 30's' mindset on many occasions - disturbingly so in some cases, such as the more than questionable moral 'it's better to let genocides happen than risk getting our hands dirty'... it's extremely 1990s in its mindset and becomes glaringly less relevant as time goes on.
Absolutely. One of the reasons the film is so much fun - it feels far more like TOS than anything since, well, TOS (to me, anyway).
^ And from my point of view, JJ's movie felt NOTHING like TOS, if anything it felt like a hamfisted parody of TOS, and makes me question the perceptive ability of anyone who can seriously make the claim that "it's just like TOS".
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Nothing is or will ever be just like original 79. Everyone knows and accepts that.
JJTrek did bring back the fun and adventure side of TOS that has been sorely lacking. Everyone I know who is as much a fan as I seems to think so, most moderate Trek fans do, and anyone who keeps the show in perspective as the thing it was for its time seems to think so.
The people who are most vocal about their hatred of the latest Trek thing, by no coincidence, fought tooth and nail against any concept since that could possibly violate the pure vision of the first half of the first season. Not just this new film, but every film and series that came along after TMP have been treated to this kind of behaviour, without fail.
Sometimes, it's better to ignore that view and keep it in perspective as the thing it is for its time.
JJTrek did bring back the fun and adventure side of TOS that has been sorely lacking. Everyone I know who is as much a fan as I seems to think so, most moderate Trek fans do, and anyone who keeps the show in perspective as the thing it was for its time seems to think so.
The people who are most vocal about their hatred of the latest Trek thing, by no coincidence, fought tooth and nail against any concept since that could possibly violate the pure vision of the first half of the first season. Not just this new film, but every film and series that came along after TMP have been treated to this kind of behaviour, without fail.
Sometimes, it's better to ignore that view and keep it in perspective as the thing it is for its time.
I saw a few reruns of the classic series when I was a child. But Space 1999 was the one showng every Saturday evening in Canada in those days, so that was my paragon of science fiction.
I saw a few more in university, but by then "The Next Generation" had taken over, and it was no match for the reruns of Tom Baker as Doctor Who which PBS was showing in those days. Good humour always beats out soap opera for me.
Now I have finally starting watching the entire run of classic Star Trek: and I must say I am delighted and entranced. The bevy of babes on every episode is very nice too. I certainly prefer classic Star Trek over the angst, torture, dark shadowy rooms and hopelessness of Battlestar Galactica and Stargate Universe.
I saw a few more in university, but by then "The Next Generation" had taken over, and it was no match for the reruns of Tom Baker as Doctor Who which PBS was showing in those days. Good humour always beats out soap opera for me.
Now I have finally starting watching the entire run of classic Star Trek: and I must say I am delighted and entranced. The bevy of babes on every episode is very nice too. I certainly prefer classic Star Trek over the angst, torture, dark shadowy rooms and hopelessness of Battlestar Galactica and Stargate Universe.
I am watching the show on Blu-ray and am really enjoying the rewatch, particularly the Kirk/Spock/McCoy dynamic.
Or, you know, TNG started off with an extremely wobbly first season which (rightfully) drew criticism, and then the show itself got better and started winning over the old fans.
I couldn't have said it any better myself. I do enjoy the later series, but when rewatching today, TNG especially feels more dated - especially with some of the more heavyhanded 'morality' episodes. I cringe when Riker and Pulaski vaporize their clones in 'Up the Long Ladder', for instance. After a few more decades of debate on issues like abortion and stem cell research, their 'enlightened' view of life seems rather... archaic.
I think DS9 managed to avoid being dated fairly well.
With the current problems with terrorists, and the obvious parallels that can be drawn with the Dominion War, DS9 is actually the most timely.
TOS, of course, is timeless.
TOS, of course, is timeless.
That one really stuck out with me. Those clones weren't embryonic or anything, they were fully adult twin brothers and sisters. Riker and Pulaski committed mass murder there, against people who were helpless to do anything about it. Makes you wonder why Tom Riker survived...
But it's not the only episode with such boomer-esque morality. I keep thinking of the episode where Picard endorses allowing a planet to be obliterated (and the guy trying to save the people he was observing was wrongbad) even though it was shown in the episode that the Enterprise could have saved the planet without the population even being made aware.
Then, of course, the hostile stances on religion, the Riker-gay-sex issue, the 'You can't be a lesbian even though you love me' Trill nonsense, etc. It's just everywhere...
And what makes it more telling is just how much captain Jerico, who was sent as a 'send-up' against type and meant to be the heavy of an episode - became a fan favorite.
DS9's major issue is that it's decidedly schizophrenic at times. It may age less harshly than TNG or VOY has, but I don't think it stands up too well overall, personally. It's less of the 'boomer' issue and more of the 'keep escalating the kewl' issue. It actually starts failing to live up to itself.
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