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Hyperion/Endymion novels by Dan Simmons (SPOILERS)

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I read the four books in Dan Simmons's Hyperion series (spoilers for all four books in this thread will follow) for the first time a few months ago, but somehow keep forgetting to start a thread here about them. It was the first major non-Trek sci-fi literature I've read and it was a superb introduction to what's out there...I can't believe I've been missing out for so long.

Overall I thought the books were excellent. Hyperion was a perfect introduction to the universe Simmons wanted to portray; the individual tales unfolded in a way that slowly revealed more and more about the complex workings, politics, and themes of the Hegemony which gripped me from the start and didn't let go. Cool concepts like the internet-gone-wild datasphere and multi-planet farcaster mansions, along with things like the River Tethys and the Grand Concourse gave the book a nice epic scope. The way Simmons changed styles so effortlessly between the different stories worked great.

My favorite tale was probably the first one told by Lenar Hoyt; that ending with Dure crucifying himself on the Tesla trees to avoid the worse fate that befell the Brikari was very moving. The Consul's story I found the least interesting for some reason...he was this vaguely mysterious and enigmatic guy from the start, but his rebellious ancestors were kind of dull. I did love his story with the Ousters, who were another really cool sci-fi idea of their own.

The Fall of Hyperion, while still quite good, is probably my least favorite in the series. First of all, it was riddled with typos pretty consistently, which was really distracting and gave it an unprofessional feel. That aside, there just wasn't a way for Simmons to re-capture the "Canterbury Tales"-like feel of the first book in this continuation. There was so much going on everywhere that it kind of got out of hand, and I thought the new main character/narrator Keats cybrid laid on the literary references a little too heavily sometimes. Silenus on the Shrike's tree and Kasaad's various action adventures didn't do much for me, either.

Still, I certainly didn't dislike the book, and some of the resolutions worked really well, like Sol and Rachel's story, the TechnoCore's zen-koan spokesman Ummon, and above all Gladstone's decision to destroy the Web and completely which which was an awesome way to end the story. It could have worked perfectly as the conclusion; when the book first came out, does anyone know if that was the intention, or were the Endymion books always planned to make the series four books?

Endymion was the lightest of the four and really just a straight-forward adventure tale, and also more obviously set-up material for the Big Finale, but I still really enjoyed it. At first I thought making the cruciforms such an enormous part of the newly reshaped human government gutted some of the original poignancy of Dure's ordeal, but I warmed up to the idea quickly. I really liked seeing the remnants of the web and the newly powerful Church was pretty chilling.

It was pretty annoying to constantly read the phrase "Father Captain," but de Soya was a great character so I got used to it. A. Bettik taking a more prominent role was great, and Endymion himself I think was a pretty entertaining narrator.

The Rise of Endymion is my favorite of the four. Everything that happens occurs on a grand playing field with dozens of characters and events to keep track of; this time I think Simmons stayed on the rails and it all came together really well. It dragged a little bit when they were hanging out on the Tibetan mountain planet in the middle, but I enjoyed the various scenes of Aenea's "sermons" enough to not notice so much.

The climax was riveting and Aenea's death moving; before that, the freecasting to every known planet was slam-bang entertainment and Raul finally coming into his own was well done. If there's one small problem I have, it's with the missing year and secret husband sub-plot; given how prevalent time travel is in the series, I figured that one out easily so the standard relationship angst plot was carried on a bit too long for me.

All in all, I loved the books and have since started his newer book Ilium. I'm liking it a lot so far (only 200 pages in, no spoilers please!!!) and he seems a versatile enough writer to create a whole new universe with ease. I want to re-read the Hyperion books in a few years and see how they hold up; I expect I'll get even more out of them, catching more of the subtle plotting and references throughout.

Long post...so anyways, what do you guys think of the books? :D
 
Hyperion series are my favorite sci-fi books.
Without spoiling much, I read Ilium but abandoned Olympos after some 300 pages because it got too fucking weird even for my taste and stopped making sense.
 
Loved the Hyperion Cantos, great series. Think I enjoyed the Endymion set more than the first set, if I had to pick. Then again, a good part of the enjoyment there is revisiting the worlds he created in the Hyperion books, and seeing how much had changed after the Fall.

Enjoyed the Ilium books as well. Long, long books, but a lot of fun. The Earth stuff was more enjoyable for me than the Greek stuff, though. Could have done with more of that world, before things go pear shaped...
 
Hyperion series are my favorite sci-fi books.
Without spoiling much, I read Ilium but abandoned Olympos after some 300 pages because it got too fucking weird even for my taste and stopped making sense.

Only skimmed through this thread, as I haven't read the Hyperion books, but I wanted to chime in...

Olympos was an extremely disappointing ending to the story. I slogged all the way through it. Gr.
 
The Hyperion/Endymion books are by far my favorite series. I have read through the series at least 3 times.
I would rank them as follows (from best to worst, although they are all great)
1. Hyperion
2. Fall of Hyperion
3. Rise of Endymion
4. Endymion

My favorite characters are Kassad and the Consul... Which probably also explains why I rate the Fall of Hyperion higher. :)

As for Illium / Olympos... (No spoilers) I re-read both recently, and I definitely enjoyed it more the 2nd time. I was able to pick up and understand much more of the subtleties and references this time. It is a *really dense* set of books though. A LOT of concepts thrown about. But overall I think the books are great. My only complaint is that the final part of Olympos wraps things up a bit too fast near the end - the book could have used better pacing.

There's a setup for a sequel too - We'll see if anything happens. But my preference would be for a novel that covers more of the human history leading up to Illium, as the small historical tidibits in Olympus only wet my appetite for more. Quite an interesting history setup.
 
Yeah great stuff. Where's our TV series based on them already? :mad:

No tv show but I believe Warner is working on a movie for the 2 Hyperion books.

From Dan Simonns' web site:

there is a Hyperion movie in the works. It has been optioned by a top-notch studio, is slated to be directed by a top-name director, and already has the involvement of a top-flight movie star. Screenwriters have been attached to the project and a first draft screenplay is expected soon.

The reason the details haven’t appeared here on this web site or elsewhere is that the studio and producers have the prerogative of announcing the deal before anyone else, and so far they haven’t chosen to do so, although the rumors of the option have appeared in print in various places

I believe the director was said to be Scott Derrickson with a script written by Trevor Sands. Simmons would have some kind of involvement there but I'm not sure how
 
One worrying rumor was that Simmons (on behalf of the studio) was writing a treatment of the story that basically combined Hyperion & Endymion into one story. One effect of this combination would be to make Aena one of the hyperion pilgrims.

Ugh - I really hope that is false. There is so much great depth and complexity of the Hyperion Cantos universe that would be mangled by combining the stories.
 
One worrying rumor was that Simmons (on behalf of the studio) was writing a treatment of the story that basically combined Hyperion & Endymion into one story. One effect of this combination would be to make Aena one of the hyperion pilgrims.

Ugh - I really hope that is false. There is so much great depth and complexity of the Hyperion Cantos universe that would be mangled by combining the stories.

That's an old rumor and false.
According to what Simmons said around January the plan is to make the 2 Hyperion books into 1 movie.
 
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