Humans are from Earth

[sbk1234]

So is Beverly Crusher (who I believe was born on Mars) a Terran? She's definitely a human.

Terrans originate from Terra, no matter where they are born. Would she be an Enterprisian had she been born aboard the USS Enterprise?

No, she'd be an Enterprisling.

I think, like all Federation citizens, she'd be a Federationionion.

 

[T'Girl]

When can the cloning begin?
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If you want to say that Humans are Terrans that's fine. Just like dogs are terrans and eagles are terrans.

All life on Earth are terrans.

Just because you're a terran doesn't mean that you are part of a intelligent species, all joking aside, Human means just that.

Referring to ourselves as "Humans" is better.

 

[Chaos Descending]

There has been a movement to change the name of Earth to Humania.

Humus Prime. To me, it'll always be Humus Prime.

Which reminds me that "humans" actually derives from the Latin "humus" (ground, soil and, wait for it, earth). So, Humans are ultimately named after their own planet, just like the other species. Yatta!

Errr... no. "Human" derives from the Latin "Humanus" which was the adjective form of "Homo", which means "Man".

 

[JarodRussell]

Humus Prime. To me, it'll always be Humus Prime.

Which reminds me that "humans" actually derives from the Latin "humus" (ground, soil and, wait for it, earth). So, Humans are ultimately named after their own planet, just like the other species. Yatta!

Errr... no. "Human" derives from the Latin "Humanus" which was the adjective form of "Homo", which means "Man".

So, Beverly is not even a Human.

 

[Chaos Descending]

Correct.

 

[Andrew_Kearley]

If someone who's ancestors came from another country is born in the United States, they are considered an American.

If they were born and grew up on another planet, I really wonder whether they'd be considered Terrans.

Well, to give a counter-example, there have been plenty of British people who were born in India...

 

[iguana_tonante]

Humus Prime. To me, it'll always be Humus Prime.

Which reminds me that "humans" actually derives from the Latin "humus" (ground, soil and, wait for it, earth). So, Humans are ultimately named after their own planet, just like the other species. Yatta!

Errr... no. "Human" derives from the Latin "Humanus" which was the adjective form of "Homo", which means "Man".

That's correct, but incomplete, since "homo", in turn, stems from the Proto-Indoeuropean root for "earth". I did not mean to delve into reconstructed etymology, but if you are interested:

homo:

Latin
Etymology

From Old Latin hemō, from Proto-Indo-European *dʰǵʰm̥mō (“earthling”). Cognates include Old Lithuanian žmuõ (“man”) and Gothic guma.
Cf. also nēmō (“no one”) < *ne hemō. Proto-Indo-European *dʰǵʰm̥mon- is a derivative of *dʰéǵʰōm (“earth”), whence also Latin humus. Thus, same Proto-Indo-European root gave both the nouns for man and earth; compare similar semasiological development in Semitic languages: Hebrew אָדָם (adam, “man; soil”).

Also, "homo" means "person", not "man" (that would be "vir"). So Beverly Crusher would definitively be a human (and a fine specimen, I would add ).


Quod erat demonstrandum.

 

[DevilEyes]

We don't really know what the alien races are calling Humans, do we? Or, for that matter, what they are calling themselves. We always either hear their speech translated by the UT, or (some of them) are already using Federation Standard. Which means that the terms for various races are probably also translated.

 

[Chaos Descending]

Which reminds me that "humans" actually derives from the Latin "humus" (ground, soil and, wait for it, earth). So, Humans are ultimately named after their own planet, just like the other species. Yatta!

Errr... no. "Human" derives from the Latin "Humanus" which was the adjective form of "Homo", which means "Man".

That's correct, but incomplete, since "homo", in turn, stems from the Proto-Indoeuropean root for "earth". I did not mean to delve into reconstructed etymology, but if you are interested:

homo:

Latin
Etymology

From Old Latin hemō, from Proto-Indo-European *dʰǵʰm̥mō (“earthling”). Cognates include Old Lithuanian žmuõ (“man”) and Gothic guma.
Cf. also nēmō (“no one”) < *ne hemō. Proto-Indo-European *dʰǵʰm̥mon- is a derivative of *dʰéǵʰōm (“earth”), whence also Latin humus. Thus, same Proto-Indo-European root gave both the nouns for man and earth; compare similar semasiological development in Semitic languages: Hebrew אָדָם (adam, “man; soil”).

Also, "homo" means "person", not "man" (that would be "vir"). So Beverly Crusher would definitively be a human (and a fine specimen, I would add ).


Quod erat demonstrandum.

I meant "man" as in "the race of man", "Mankind". Not "Human with a penis". Don't read too much into my winking smily reply to "Beverly is therefore not a human". That was clearly just humor.

Also, good stuff on the PIE roots. I guess it makes more sense when you don't stop at Latin.

 

[Anwar]

Well, the name of our species alternates between "Human" and "Terran" in sci-fi. Of course Terran only works with those who identify with Earth specifically.

The Vulcans aren't from Vulcan, they're the descendants of Sargon's people so maybe the name "Vulcans" was their own invention. The Romulans aren't from Romulus so maybe it's just a self-inflicted thing, they chose that name for themselves. And Romulus is clearly the name Humanity gave them so who knows what THEY call it in their own language.

So far, Trek isn't so bad for the "Species named after the planet" thing. It does it half the time.

 

[scotpens]

The Vulcans aren't from Vulcan, they're the descendants of Sargon's people . . .

Source?

 

[Chaos Descending]

The Vulcans aren't from Vulcan, they're the descendants of Sargon's people . . .

Source?

I second that request.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Vulcans aren't from Vulcan, they're the descendants of Sargon's people . . .

Source?

They might be, as was speculated in "Return to Tomorrow."

 

[Anwar]

Spock said that Sargon's people colonized Vulcan, didn't he?

 

[PsychoPere]

No, Spock suggested the possibility that Sargon's people may have colonized Vulcan. He made no statement of fact.

 

[scotpens]

^^ And it was a pretty vague suggestion at that.

KIRK: That's twice you've referred to us as "my children."

SARGON: Because it is possible you are our descendants, Captain Kirk. Six thousand centuries ago, our vessels were colonizing this galaxy, just as your own starships have now begun to explore that vastness. As you now leave your own seed on distant planets, so we left our seed behind us. Perhaps your own legends of an Adam and an Eve were two of our travelers.

MULHALL: Our beliefs and our studies indicate that life on our planet, Earth, evolved independently.

SPOCK: That would tend, however, to explain certain elements of Vulcan prehistory.

 

[Shatnertage]

Maybe he was just being polite? As in, agree with the guy and maybe he'll go away?

 

[iguana_tonante]

I meant "man" as in "the race of man", "Mankind". Not "Human with a penis". Don't read too much into my winking smily reply to "Beverly is therefore not a human". That was clearly just humor.

I supposed so. Still, I could not pass a beautiful opportunity to be pedantic.

Also, good stuff on the PIE roots. I guess it makes more sense when you don't stop at Latin.

I like PIE.

 

[sojourner]

Sheesh! Everyone knows men are from Mars and women are from Venus. Earth is just neutral ground where we meet to mate.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Sheesh! Everyone knows men are from Mars and women are from Venus. Earth is just neutral ground where we meet to mate.

I have it on good authority that men are from Mars, and women are from a quantum singularity in the Delta Quadrant.