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Human Target: Season 2 on FOX - Discussion & Spoilers

Yay! Janet Montgomery's in the opening credits now! :adore:

At least they remembered "the old man" is still around, rather than ditching him the way they did to wrap up the season-ending cliffhanger in 2 minutes. Though they would still need to explain why he left Chance alone after their reunion.
 
I haven't really noticed a drop in the show's quality from last season to this season. It seems to be about the same.
 
I enjoyed the second episode. I'm glad that Mrs. Pucci is getting called out for getting in the team's business, after she said she wouldn't in the first episode. I enjoyed the put upon look and the growing frustration of Winston whenever she wanted to tag along or injected herself into affairs. It makes sense that she would do that since its her money. I also liked Guerrero and the young thief. This sort of gives everyone someone to play off of, assuming that Chance will have the target to interact with every week. I got a kind of Batman-Robin vibe with Guerrero last night for some reason.

I don't get why the wife doesn't call the cops on Chance since she hasn't forgiven him and knows pretty much where the man lives. I wish there had been something to tie up that loose end. I just couldn't imagine her letting him go like that.

I actually like the new theme a little better than the original, though I wish it was a little harder rock, that it had more punch to it. The original theme just sound blah to me, washed out. It didn't get me remind me that this is a hard hitting, action show.
 
Are they trying to make to women as annoying as possible? All they do so far is butt in.

On music: Yes, I love a good soundtrack, and hate a truly bad soundtrack. But a mediocre soundtrack doesn't bother me. I just won't buy the CD.
 
Are they trying to make to women as annoying as possible? All they do so far is butt in.

On music: Yes, I love a good soundtrack, and hate a truly bad soundtrack. But a mediocre soundtrack doesn't bother me. I just won't buy the CD.

With the women I see it as a stage right now where they are trying to get up to speed quickly. Its kind of like on the job training. Plus, their questions might stand in for new audience members questions about who these guys are, why they do what they do, and how they do it. As the season goes on I think we'll get less questions and butting in, though hopefully we'll continue to get differences in opinion and approach.
 
Human Target was one of my favorite shows last year. I love the interaction between the three main actors and I thought it was maybe the most fun show on television. Was glad that it got renewed but everything since then has dampend by enthusiasm.

I had a feeling Fox would impose female characters on this show and I was right. Isla and Ames seem like they came straight out of some focus group. Why is is that no one ever thinks about adding a male to an all-female cast but when it's an all-male cast, studio execs and the PC crowd are tripping over themselves to "broaden the demographics"? The interaction between Valley, Bride, and Haley was perfect. It was a guy's show about three guys taking on their own missions and bantering along the way. At three regulars, it was a perfectly cast show.

The two new female regulars are just there to create tension for the sake of tension. Isla's interference in the second episode was annoying as hell although Winston pretty much telling her to fuck off was great. Ames, too, is annoying as hell. She's obnixious and is doing no favors for Guerrero's lone wolf character and quiet menace. Worse, it seems to be limiting Winston and Guerrero's bickering, which was a highlight of last season.

Replacing Bear McCreary and his Emmy Award nominating title score might is just as bad. McCreary is one of the best composers on television and his score for Human Target just got released to some great reviews. The movie-like, noirish score was perfect to Human Target. The fact that new showrunner Matt Miller got rid of him in order to bring him some generic pop music shows that he is a second-rate producer. He claimed that McCreary was busy and got another job but McCreary stated that he was not asked back. I believe him because Miller's got a hard-on for this kind of stuff. Not only is the new music bad but it's very intrusive. It often drowns out dialogue and what's going on in the scene, it completely beats you over the head with it. This change has been universally panned and rightly so.

He might claim otherwise but Miller clearly has no respect for what made this show work. Instead of altering his style a little to fit Human Target he has arrogantly altered Human Target to fit his style. The show didn't need "an injection of estrogen" as he has talked about. He's also talked about personalizing the stories to raise the emotional stakes. It's not a bad idea although I don't think every story needs a personal angle and I think you want to keep these characters a little mysterious. But apparently emotional stakes don't always mean logical stakes.

Take the second episode...Chance is sent to protect the wife of a man he killed seven years ago. That's a great idea for a story and a logical one. Despite turning over a new leaf, Chance was a bad man for many years who took many lives. But they tried to undercut the story by saying the husband was corrupt. The strangest part though is the wife tells him this doesn't make up for what he did. Now it's not strange that she believe that because it's true. It doesn't make up for Chance killing him. But if she so strongly believed this, why doesn't she call the police on Chance? Chance doesn't look like he'd fight a prosecution, he knows he was wrong. If you want emotional stakes to be raised, you've got to be realistic about it. If that woman felt so strongly, she should have reported Chance to the police.

The first two episodes haven't been awful mind you. The interaction between Chance, Winston, and Guerrero continues to be the absolute strength of the show. The idea behind the second episode's storyline was a good one as well. But the show has felt off to me and a little less fun. The new characters have been completely tacked on by Miller and the Fox PC crowd. Guerrero was portrayed the best in the first episode and he is a bad, bad man. But showing him torturing someone every episode or teasing it is like a joke that's being told over and over again. It isn't funny or badass if it happens every episode. Also, Chance's character seemed to be dumbed down in the second episode. Walking into traps, letting himself be seen on camera...I guess it's an extension of him being emotionally affected by the storyline but I don't want to see the character dumbed down.

To me, the things the show needed to improve last season was storyline depth and better villains. Depth in the storyline means that the stories needed to be a little less disposeable (but still fun) and tighter in the way they are carried out. Then there's the villains. Outside of Baptiste (who will be returning in episode four), none of them were particularly worthy adversaries. A guy like Chance needs a strong villain to work off of. You can't go 13-for-13 in this category but you need to produce better than the villain-of-the-week. Then there's the Old Man. The way Chance's boss was described in Season 1, you would have thought he was some kind of omnioptent monster, a guy you wouldn't want to come across. Instead we got a loudmouth who was taking order from some boring villain-of-the-week. Armand Assante is an awful actor and completely overacted in his appearance. I wasn't sorry to see him go.

I hope the show improves but with a second-rate producer in charge, no Bear McCreary, and studio-imposed characters onboard, I'm not going to hold my breath. At least there's always Season 1.
 
The fact that new showrunner Matt Miller got rid of him in order to bring him some generic pop music shows that he is a second-rate producer. He claimed that McCreary was busy and got another job but McCreary stated that he was not asked back. I believe him because Miller's got a hard-on for this kind of stuff.
I hadn't heard Miller ever say McCreary was busy; in fact, in a recent podcast, he was up-front about how he chose not to bring McCreary back because Miller was going to (very slight paraphrase) take away all of his toys; Miller wanted a more "standard" score, knowing that the tracked songs wouldn't mesh well with music in the style of Human Target's first season.

He's also talked about personalizing the stories to raise the emotional stakes. It's not a bad idea although I don't think every story needs a personal angle and I think you want to keep these characters a little mysterious. But apparently emotional stakes don't always mean logical stakes.
It's not a bad idea, and it's even something the first season managed for half the episodes (by my count). Unfortunately it was apparently too subtle for Miller, judging by his comments about how it's a big change.
 
I hadn't heard Miller ever say McCreary was busy; in fact, in a recent podcast, he was up-front about how he chose not to bring McCreary back because Miller was going to (very slight paraphrase) take away all of his toys; Miller wanted a more "standard" score, knowing that the tracked songs wouldn't mesh well with music in the style of Human Target's first season.

The initial interview with Miller after he got the job is where he stated that McCreary was too busy which wasn't true based on another McCreary interview. Now I guess Miller is being truthful about being a second-rate producer and getting rid of one of the show's best elements. I just read that Miller claimed he got rid of McCreary over "a matter of taste." So he replaced a great musical score with a terrible one. Should tell you all you need to know about him as a producer.
 
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Beyond not getting the people who get so out-of-control about soundtracks, I really really don't understand how anyone can think the original theme was this masterpiece of aural composition. It was utterly forgettable and bland. The only thing that made the opening sequence interesting was the visuals, and even those were pretty bland and did little to explain what the show was about. It sounded like a dozen other background dreariness tunes you hear on a weekly basis.

Sure, the new theme is clearly sucktastic, but it lasts a whole 30 seconds or so and has absolutely zero impact on the actual content of the show itself. Compared to that, sure, the original is brilliance personified. But that's more of an insult to the new theme more than its a compliment to the original.

Some people are just completely nuts, I guess.
 
McCreary's theme and score helped set the theme for the entire show. Miller's score is intrusive dogshit.

The change in score, the imposing of female characters who didn't need to be added in the first place, and the complete shift in tone is the reason I don't like the show anymore.
 
Beyond not getting the people who get so out-of-control about soundtracks, I really really don't understand how anyone can think the original theme was this masterpiece of aural composition. It was utterly forgettable and bland. The only thing that made the opening sequence interesting was the visuals, and even those were pretty bland and did little to explain what the show was about. It sounded like a dozen other background dreariness tunes you hear on a weekly basis.

Sure, the new theme is clearly sucktastic, but it lasts a whole 30 seconds or so and has absolutely zero impact on the actual content of the show itself. Compared to that, sure, the original is brilliance personified. But that's more of an insult to the new theme more than its a compliment to the original.

Some people are just completely nuts, I guess.

Well I won't call people nuts Checkmate, but reading this thread and all the despair over the theme and background music change has been such a :wtf: moment for me, that I don't hardly know what to think. It's the damnedest thing I think I've ever seen on this bulletin board.

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As much as I loved McCreary's music on BSG I haven't really cared all that much for his other work except for the Sarah Connor Chronicles. Nothing he did on Human Target last season really stuck with me. So his not being there this season isn't really bothering me all that much.


They sure wrapped up the cliffhanger really fast, although in the process they seemed to have completely dropped the Joubert (Armand Assante) stuff. I wonder if that means Baptiste is gone too?

Baptiste is in the December 8th episode called "The Return of Baptiste"
 
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To protect Ames, Chase is forced to go undercover to infiltrate the gang who forces her to go along with them to pull off a diamond heist.
 
Am I the only one in the entire world that doesn't think that Bear McCreary is all that particularly special?

I didn't even notice he'd gone, to be honest. In fact, I never realized he was there in the first place.
 
Can you hum the theme or music from any of the following?

Star Wars
Super Mario Bros.
Lost
Lord of the Rings
Star Trek
Back to the Future

I'm guessing the answer is yes.

I'm not saying music can break a show, movie or game but it can certainly elevate it.

LOST? It has a lyrical theme? All I recall is the sudden black screen and the "Bong". Is that what you mean?
LOTR? Again, it has an instantly recognizable theme? I don't know it.
Back to the Future I would know if I heard but I can't hum it right now and I'm trying to think of it.

I'm really shocked how much a few seem to put into the music guy of a TV show. Can music elevate, yeah. I don't see this show being one of those. It's obscured in medicority by the masses anyway. It's the story that will make the show rise up to be noticed, not the score. People will only notice the score AFTER the stories are worth a damn.
 
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