Well, the X-men universe was more advanced than the real world to start with. They had stealth tech in 1963, advanced robotics with miniaturized computer chips in 1973, etc.
Hugh Jackman Confirms That Wolverine 3 Will Be His Last as Wolverine
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Well, the X-men universe was more advanced than the real world to start with. They had stealth tech in 1963, advanced robotics with miniaturized computer chips in 1973, etc.
I don't see that having much of an effect, there's a 30-40 year different between the end of Apocalypse and Logan, so there's plenty of time for the characters to get a lot of stories. Even if we keep jumping a decade between movies, that's 3 or 4 more movies before we reach Logan, and that's assuming they don't change the timeline again somewhere along the line before that.
I don't actually expect it to happen, but if they really wanted to I could see the whole movie turning out to be some kind of a vision/warning that one of the Logan characters is somehow sending back in time. That way we could get the whole thing as a "real" future while it's happening, but then leave the possibility of preventing it afterwards/before.
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Plenty of time for stories, yes, and the timeline could always change again, granted, but I still wonder if knowing things will take a big turn for the worse will alienate audiences, who seem to be iffy on the franchise to begin with. I liked Apocalypse better than most, but even I'm not super-stoked to see where the main X-Men series goes from here, what with the producers intent on keeping an ambivalent at best Jennifer Lawrence in the middle of things, despite her Mystique mainly being a wet blanket. Also, as awesome as Fassbender is, I'm not in any hurry to see more of his Mags, either - especially after Xavier let him waltz off after his mass murder for no damn reason. This last movie should have seen Magneto lead a full-bore revolution, with teases of Apocalypse along the way. Instead, it wasted Mags and Apocalypse turned out entirely average. It does feel like the franchise is, as the trailer music suggests, "Hurt" and past its prime.
Didn't realize that was supposed to be Caliban. Then again, Apocalypse is a bit of a blur in my mind.
It's already set in a world definitively alternate to our own, so I'm not sure that's much of a concern.
Caliban is seen in the trailer with a face shroud covering him, just in case you want to be on the lookout for him if you rewatch it.
I'm not super-stoked to see where the main X-Men series goes from here, what with the producers intent on keeping an ambivalent at best Jennifer Lawrence in the middle of things, despite her Mystique mainly being a wet blanket. Also, as awesome as Fassbender is, I'm not in any hurry to see more of his Mags, either - especially after Xavier let him waltz off after his mass murder for no damn reason. This last movie should have seen Magneto lead a full-bore revolution, with teases of Apocalypse along the way. Instead, it wasted Mags and Apocalypse turned out entirely average. It does feel like the franchise is, as the trailer music suggests, "Hurt" and past its prime.
And to think - you liked it better than most. Ouch.
I wonder what "most" thought.
I recently rewatched X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and I enjoyed it a lot more than I remembered, despite all its flaws. It's still my least favorite X-Men movie, but that is more a compliment to the series rather than an insult to that film. I like the fact that the X-Men movies never had an embarrassment nearly as bad as the worst films from other series (such as Star Trek V, Batman and Robin, or Men in Black 2).
I like the look of the Logan trailer, but are they throwing continuity completely out the window? Not that this series has always been great about continuity, I know. DOFP ended with the timeline happily fixed up, all of the mutants alive and well -- even Cyclops. This apparently takes place not long after that, but all the other mutants gone for some reason, while Logan and Xavier look decades older. I'm not sure what to think of that.
We don't know how much time there actually is between DoFP's future ending and the events of Logan, as the 2024 dating is apparently erroneous.
That trailer hit me right in the feels. The X-Men films have generally had excellent trailers, even when some of the films themselves have been less than stellar, but this one really hit me on an emotional level in a way none of the others have. Seeing Logan and Charles so frail, vulnerable, desperate, and alone in a way we've never seen them before, not even facing imminent death in DoFP, really carried some dramatic weight and gave this film a sense of gravitas that is surprising for a superhero film. The panning shot around the interior of the truck with Charles in the back hanging on for dear life while Logan tries to drive them out of danger was fantastic.
Then you get Johnny Cash's haunting rendition of Hurt to put the capper on the whole thing and really drive home the emotional sucker punch. Perfect song choice given the events of the film and the mental, physical, and emotional state of our heroes. Every time I want to complain about its overuse in trailers, movies, and TV shows, it just grabs me and sets the mood of the scene or trailer so well that the complaint doesn't register.
So, from what I gather from the trailer and the Apocalypse stinger, Caliban is using his mutant tracking ability to help Mr. Sinister's Essex Corp. goons, led by Robot Hand Guy, in hunting down the last remaining mutants on Earth, and Logan's young girl clone X-23 is somehow integral to preventing total mutant extinction? Is that the gist of it?
I haven't read the Old Man Logan comic, but looking at the Wiki description, it seems nuttier than an elephant turd and full of unusable characters due to rights issues, so I doubt too much of it will be adapted. Though this part seemed like it might be relevant:
Throughout the story it is reiterated that the "Wolverine" persona died the day the villains attacked, and Logan has refused to use his claws ever since. Via flashbacks it is revealed that on the night the attack happened, a group of forty supervillains apparently attacked the X-Mansion. Unable to locate his teammates, Wolverine slaughtered the attackers to ensure the safety of the mutant children. As the last "attacker" was killed, Logan realized that the entire assault was an illusion created by Mysterio, and his perceived enemies were actually his fellow X-Men. This destroyed him emotionally and mentally, and he fled the Mansion and wandered away to a train track in shock and shame. Though he made a subsequent suicide attempt by allowing a freight train to run him over, Logan could not actually kill himself, but had effectively killed "Wolverine".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man_Logan
Mysterio is probably owned by Sony since he's primarily a Spider-Man villain, but you could use any reality warping mutant instead to convince Wolverine he's killing an invading army when he's actually killing his own mutant friends and students instead. That would be a pretty messed up beginning and a justifiable explanation for his withdrawal from the world.
It is kind of a bummer that they went through all the trouble to save mutant-kind in DoFP only to simply have them all wiped out again a few years later by Mr. Sinister's faction. Feels like everything was a big waste of time, and I wouldn't want them to go through another time travel plotline to reset things all over again if they change their minds and wants to bring back the older, established actors at some point in a new X-Men/spinoff or Deadpool film. Oh, well, we'll wait and see how that plays out.
Anyway, fantastic trailer, and I'm really looking forward to this movie. It seems to be breaking new ground for an X-Men and a Wolverine movie, which is good. The last two Wolverine movies were mediocre, to say the least, so hopefully this will make up for it.
Then you get Johnny Cash's haunting rendition of Hurt to put the capper on the whole thing and really drive home the emotional sucker punch. Perfect song choice given the events of the film and the mental, physical, and emotional state of our heroes. Every time I want to complain about its overuse in trailers, movies, and TV shows, it just grabs me and sets the mood of the scene or trailer so well that the complaint doesn't register.
So, from what I gather from the trailer and the Apocalypse stinger, Caliban is using his mutant tracking ability to help Mr. Sinister's Essex Corp. goons, led by Robot Hand Guy, in hunting down the last remaining mutants on Earth, and Logan's young girl clone X-23 is somehow integral to preventing total mutant extinction? Is that the gist of it?
I haven't read the Old Man Logan comic, but looking at the Wiki description, it seems nuttier than an elephant turd and full of unusable characters due to rights issues, so I doubt too much of it will be adapted. Though this part seemed like it might be relevant:
Throughout the story it is reiterated that the "Wolverine" persona died the day the villains attacked, and Logan has refused to use his claws ever since. Via flashbacks it is revealed that on the night the attack happened, a group of forty supervillains apparently attacked the X-Mansion. Unable to locate his teammates, Wolverine slaughtered the attackers to ensure the safety of the mutant children. As the last "attacker" was killed, Logan realized that the entire assault was an illusion created by Mysterio, and his perceived enemies were actually his fellow X-Men. This destroyed him emotionally and mentally, and he fled the Mansion and wandered away to a train track in shock and shame. Though he made a subsequent suicide attempt by allowing a freight train to run him over, Logan could not actually kill himself, but had effectively killed "Wolverine".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man_Logan
Mysterio is probably owned by Sony since he's primarily a Spider-Man villain, but you could use any reality warping mutant instead to convince Wolverine he's killing an invading army when he's actually killing his own mutant friends and students instead. That would be a pretty messed up beginning and a justifiable explanation for his withdrawal from the world.
It is kind of a bummer that they went through all the trouble to save mutant-kind in DoFP only to simply have them all wiped out again a few years later by Mr. Sinister's faction. Feels like everything was a big waste of time, and I wouldn't want them to go through another time travel plotline to reset things all over again if they change their minds and wants to bring back the older, established actors at some point in a new X-Men/spinoff or Deadpool film. Oh, well, we'll wait and see how that plays out.
Anyway, fantastic trailer, and I'm really looking forward to this movie. It seems to be breaking new ground for an X-Men and a Wolverine movie, which is good. The last two Wolverine movies were mediocre, to say the least, so hopefully this will make up for it.
^I suspect what they're doing is taking the general premise of 'Old Man Logan' (Logan is a grissled old man in a semi-dystopian world without the X-Men) and mushing it together with the "all the mutants are mysteriously dying off" premise from 'House of M'. Very much shades of 'The Children of Men'.
The latter has something to do with Scarlet Witch IIRC, but for obvious reasons I doubt they'll keep that. Either it'll be kept intentionally vague or the result of some outside force, like an engineered virus or some-such.
Keeping in mind for a second that he was born in the early 1930's and as such was in his early 90's (!) in 2023: in the trailer, Xavier seems significantly older and more decrepit than he was either either version of the future presented by DoFP. Add to that the fact that Logan has a whole bunch of scars is clear a fair amount of time has past.
So even assuming things went to crap 5 mins after the credits rolled on DoFP, I think you're still looking at about 5-10 years at the very least down the line from then.
So 2030 at the earliest, but probably closer to 2040 or beyond.
The latter has something to do with Scarlet Witch IIRC, but for obvious reasons I doubt they'll keep that. Either it'll be kept intentionally vague or the result of some outside force, like an engineered virus or some-such.
Keeping in mind for a second that he was born in the early 1930's and as such was in his early 90's (!) in 2023: in the trailer, Xavier seems significantly older and more decrepit than he was either either version of the future presented by DoFP. Add to that the fact that Logan has a whole bunch of scars is clear a fair amount of time has past.
So even assuming things went to crap 5 mins after the credits rolled on DoFP, I think you're still looking at about 5-10 years at the very least down the line from then.
So 2030 at the earliest, but probably closer to 2040 or beyond.
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The answer to that is so simple and adds to how messed up the situation is: what if Professor X (losing his mind? While having a nightmare? There are many possibilities) unknowingly does what Mysterio did? I think there coukd be some great drama from that.
That makes a lot of sense and would add an additional layer to why Xavier is on the run. It might not just be because they're being hunted by Essex Corp., but they might also be on the run from what remains of the mutants because of any deaths they might have caused, albeit inadvertently.
[Update, 9/12/16: Added news about appearance of villain Mister Sinister.]
Mister Sinister will be the primary villain in Wolverine 3, according to comments made by Simon Kinberg and Bryan Singer in the audio commentary that was released with X-Men: Apocalypse (via CinemaBlend). The character of Mister Sinister will be played by Richard E. Grant.
http://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/x-men-apocalypse-essex-corp.html/?a=viewall
What about X-Men 3? Even the later X-Men movies aren't kind towards it ("the third one is always the worst.")
Oh, that's very interesting and I agree with Locutus that add an additional layer to the storytelling. I guess it depends on how dark they wanted to go with this film. I, for one, would like to see that direction.
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Although not as good as some of the other X-Men movies, I would say X-Men 3 was better than XO:Wolverine and -- ironically -- better than Apocalypse. Also, it was orders of magnitude better than my previous examples of Star Trek V, Batman and Robin, or Men in Black 2.
Yep. If you're going to poke fun at the mediocre third installment of a trio of films, you probably shouldn't do it in an even worse third installment of a trio of films.
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