How would you re-do Threshold
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First of all, I think there's not really any saving to be done with this episode.
I think a total rewrite where the B-Plot is Paris trying to figure out how to reach warp 10 but learning it is, in fact, not possible to do it and control it would have been good.
Meanwhile, the A-plot could have been something about general evolution and how some species appear to "de-evolve" when they evolve. Maybe they are witnessing something to that effect on an alien world?
That covers both points they were trying to make while not making little lizard babies between Kathryn and Tom.
However, I would miss the line from Kathryn about always wanting children, just not with him.
Sick. Burn.
I think a total rewrite where the B-Plot is Paris trying to figure out how to reach warp 10 but learning it is, in fact, not possible to do it and control it would have been good.
Meanwhile, the A-plot could have been something about general evolution and how some species appear to "de-evolve" when they evolve. Maybe they are witnessing something to that effect on an alien world?
That covers both points they were trying to make while not making little lizard babies between Kathryn and Tom.
However, I would miss the line from Kathryn about always wanting children, just not with him.
Sick. Burn.
Is this a season eight episode?
Part of the problem with the 'warp 10' threshold is that Trek canon in TNG has a future Enterprise traveling at 'warp 12.'
Trek fans have excused these lines of dialog with they re-configured the warp scale in the future despite numerous other lines saying 10 was max.
Outside of that I agree the plot as it stands is difficult to fix at all.
They did that didn't they in Blink of an Eye? Except it's one way evolutionary speed.
The episode did indeed become a joke at that point. No more though than the TNG episode where Troi turns into a fish though and Barclay a spider.
opps, Code of Honor season I. Ya know the epsiode where the Enterprise lands on a planet of black warriors who tries to marry Tasha who then are challenged to a fight to the death with the other black woman.
Yes, all us Black men fight over the affections of White women.......................but usually after we become famous sports stars.
opps, Code of Honor season I. Ya know the epsiode where the Enterprise lands on a planet of black warriors who tries to marry Tasha who then are challenged to a fight to the death with the other black woman.
Paris and Torres, with the help of alien Delta quadrant technology and results of hundred years of Starfleet research, want to build a warp drive capable of reaching warp 10.
It was way too easy for them to build a shuttle that had transwarp drive.
The side effect of a transwarp flight wouldn't be faster evolution but some other stuff. Like opening a door to a new dimension, or destroying the fabric of space and time, going insane, growing old, growing young, making Q angry, something like that.
It was way too easy for them to build a shuttle that had transwarp drive.
The side effect of a transwarp flight wouldn't be faster evolution but some other stuff. Like opening a door to a new dimension, or destroying the fabric of space and time, going insane, growing old, growing young, making Q angry, something like that.
Honestly, I think all they had to change is the "infinity speed" thing. Say the weird super dilithium caused them to warp into another dimension briefly, causing mutations and hallucinations, kind of like B5's hyperspace but with really bad side effects. They find no way to use it without the side effects, or to control where they exit back into normal space so they shelve it. The end.
They could have also tried to connect the episode to TNG's Where No One Has Gone Before. Paris returns and suddenly has Q-like powers because the place you can travel to with Warp 10 is a place where imagination turns into reality.
Whenever I think of this episode, I always think: "The only way that even makes any sense at all is for it to be not real." So, I vote for a scene at the end with Tom waking up from a crazy, crazy dream. Or that sicko Neelix saying: "Computer, end program." Or some such.
To be fair, though, I have to say that I really enjoy this episode, despite its stupidity. I also like TNG's Sub Rosa. Tee hee.
To be fair, though, I have to say that I really enjoy this episode, despite its stupidity. I also like TNG's Sub Rosa. Tee hee.
This is pretty much what I think in my head when I see or hear the episode title or description:
I'd scrap the "Transwarp" concept and have Paris, Kim and Torres working on "Subspace Corridors"
Kim comes up with an idea to use subspace in order to get Voyager home, Janeway is intrigued at the prospect, however as a Scientist herself, she isn't very excited about there being much progress, nonetheless she agrees to let Kim have a go, working with Paris, the two run simulations on the holodeck, to see if Voyager could be safely piloted through subspace, the results are promising, however they need a method to create a stable "Subspace Corridor" therefore they go to Torres...
The three together come up with a way to modify the deflector of a shuttlecraft, to open a "Subspace Corridor", Janeway impressed, that her officers may have found them a way home, decides to give the go ahead for Paris to take the "Test Flight"...
In the morning, however Kim comes to Paris, worried that their calculations will be made completely useless if the subspace (insert technobabble) moves just a (insert technobabble), however Paris, excited at the prospect of being the first person to pilot a new and revolutionary form of travel, gets Harry to ease up, by explaining that they've programmed the computer to adjust if such an event occurs...
The flight goes ahead, Paris enters the "Corridor", everything seems like its going well, the shuttles instruments measure a distance of 100 lightyears travelled when Paris emerges a few minutes later, when he goes back through, the "Subspace" shifts just as Kim feared, however the computer adjusts to compensate, Paris returns to a heroes reception at Voyager
Later that day, one of the reshirts notices that there is a giant hole in the shuttles hull, while in the mess hall Paris starts to react to the water in the Coffee, taken to Sickbay, the Doctor discovers that Paris' molecular structure has been warped and he starts transforming similar to how he did (but not the same) in the original "Threshold", during his transformation, Paris starts to talk about how he's felt worthless and when he finally had a chance to do something, he ended up mutating, Kim blames himself and sets about trying to find a way to help Paris
Eventually the Doctor realises that Paris' mutation occured because the computer adjustment knocked him and the shuttle out of molecular sync, therefore the "Subspace Corridor" method is too dangerous to be attempted again, if they stay on the original path, the stress would tear the ship apart, while adjusting will mutate the ship and the people aboard....
The Doctor manages to rig a treatment together using the subspace communication system, the transporter and some other trekonology, using this he restores Paris to molecular sync and the episode ends with Paris and Kim working things out and perhaps a tease of the future Paris/Torres romance
...Not much of an episode, but a good filler
Kim comes up with an idea to use subspace in order to get Voyager home, Janeway is intrigued at the prospect, however as a Scientist herself, she isn't very excited about there being much progress, nonetheless she agrees to let Kim have a go, working with Paris, the two run simulations on the holodeck, to see if Voyager could be safely piloted through subspace, the results are promising, however they need a method to create a stable "Subspace Corridor" therefore they go to Torres...
The three together come up with a way to modify the deflector of a shuttlecraft, to open a "Subspace Corridor", Janeway impressed, that her officers may have found them a way home, decides to give the go ahead for Paris to take the "Test Flight"...
In the morning, however Kim comes to Paris, worried that their calculations will be made completely useless if the subspace (insert technobabble) moves just a (insert technobabble), however Paris, excited at the prospect of being the first person to pilot a new and revolutionary form of travel, gets Harry to ease up, by explaining that they've programmed the computer to adjust if such an event occurs...
The flight goes ahead, Paris enters the "Corridor", everything seems like its going well, the shuttles instruments measure a distance of 100 lightyears travelled when Paris emerges a few minutes later, when he goes back through, the "Subspace" shifts just as Kim feared, however the computer adjusts to compensate, Paris returns to a heroes reception at Voyager
Later that day, one of the reshirts notices that there is a giant hole in the shuttles hull, while in the mess hall Paris starts to react to the water in the Coffee, taken to Sickbay, the Doctor discovers that Paris' molecular structure has been warped and he starts transforming similar to how he did (but not the same) in the original "Threshold", during his transformation, Paris starts to talk about how he's felt worthless and when he finally had a chance to do something, he ended up mutating, Kim blames himself and sets about trying to find a way to help Paris
Eventually the Doctor realises that Paris' mutation occured because the computer adjustment knocked him and the shuttle out of molecular sync, therefore the "Subspace Corridor" method is too dangerous to be attempted again, if they stay on the original path, the stress would tear the ship apart, while adjusting will mutate the ship and the people aboard....
The Doctor manages to rig a treatment together using the subspace communication system, the transporter and some other trekonology, using this he restores Paris to molecular sync and the episode ends with Paris and Kim working things out and perhaps a tease of the future Paris/Torres romance
...Not much of an episode, but a good filler
I'd add a scene at the end where Janeway wakes up in her quarters with Tom.
"It was better when we were lizards."
"Please don't tell B'Elanna!"
"It was better when we were lizards."
"Please don't tell B'Elanna!"
Honestly, I just wouldn't re-do it. I'd erase it from the collective memory of the cosmos. This is truly Star Trek's worst hour, Spock's Brain, The Way To Eden and Nemesis are all comparative classics. To this day I really can't fathom how this episode made it to air! Really, how on Earth could a script like this even come close to a greenlight? Shocking.
This is why "Threshold" doesn't bother me.
It doesn't connection or any lasting residuals for the rest of the series nor does it effect anything in the Trek Universe. You can just as easily skip it and nothing is effected by it. So I don't see the harm in it or understand the lasting hate. It's canon with no lasting repercussions.
Substitute Chakotay for Tom. 
Would put a whole new spin on that post coital sickbay scene.
Would put a whole new spin on that post coital sickbay scene.
Wasn't it implied or mentioned by Q at some point that Humans would eventually evolve to the level of the Q?
What if Paris had evolved to that point (ala Gary Mitchell from TOS), but because of the premature accelaration it causes problems with Tom and a threat to the ship is imminent. The problem could be solved by Q himself intervening and "curing" Tom or they could use the Warp 10 device, attempt to recreate the instability and reverse the effects of what happened?
It could be written to include a reference to Gary Mitchell to be used as a similar situation or written so that it doesn't just look like a copy of Where No Man has Gone Before.
What if Paris had evolved to that point (ala Gary Mitchell from TOS), but because of the premature accelaration it causes problems with Tom and a threat to the ship is imminent. The problem could be solved by Q himself intervening and "curing" Tom or they could use the Warp 10 device, attempt to recreate the instability and reverse the effects of what happened?
It could be written to include a reference to Gary Mitchell to be used as a similar situation or written so that it doesn't just look like a copy of Where No Man has Gone Before.
The Q seemed concerned about the rate of human evolution but it was never directly implied that humans would eventually become the Q.
Where Threshold became unraveled in my opinion was at the point that Paris abducted Janeway. Up until that point the story wasn't that bad. But the salamander procreating beings is when it became utterly absurd.
