How would you re-do Threshold

[exodus]

Where Threshold became unraveled in my opinion was at the point that Paris abducted Janeway. Up until that point the story wasn't that bad. But the salamander procreating beings is when it became utterly absurd.

Meh.

It's fiction, a major majority of most fiction is absurd.
Come, what are the chances that beings on the other side of the galaxy also find the representation of clowns frightnening. "Up The Long Ladder", we really believe that in the 24 cerntury that there would be people that would colonize space only to live like they were back in the earily 1900? That Data also has an evil twin brother? That poverty & war don't exists anywhere on Earth? That someone can create enough anti-matter to power a fleet of starships? We suspend belief for all of this but people turning into salamaders & mating is far fetched? It was nothing but a Trek version of "Altered States".

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

I never believed Up the Long Ladder was real. I consider it an absurd holodeck program.

 

[exodus]

I never believed Up the Long Ladder was real. I consider it an absurd holodeck program.

I thought they were a colony of actual real people, not a holodeck program.

However, the point is, Trek has been doing these types of stories for a long long time now.
Come on: "A Piece of the Action" is a fan favorite and that jammie is corny as hell.
Same with "The Trouble w/ Tribbles" and that gets voted the #1 fan favorite of all time for TOS.
With all the morality plays Trek has, fans vote a story about little purring balls of fur their favorite Trek but we scoff at folks becoming salamanders.
Sorry but I find that absurd.

 

[DarthTom]

Meh.

It's fiction, a major majority of most fiction is absurd.
Come, what are the chances that beings on the other side of the galaxy also find the representation of clowns frightnening. "Up The Long Ladder", we really believe that in the 24 cerntury that there would be people that would colonize space only to live like they were back in the earily 1900? That Data also has an evil twin brother? That poverty & war don't exists anywhere on Earth? That someone can create enough anti-matter to power a fleet of starships?

For me in fiction and especially science fiction when I suspend my disbelief the story has to stay consistent within its own dogma. And when Trek starts to fall of its own proverbial cliff when it comes to the science and tech it loses its entertainment value and IMHO becomes absurd.

Episodes like Threshold and the TNG Episode where the crew devolves into spiders, fish and early humanoids is where I start to check out. It's simply a personal preference.

One of the reasons that DS9 is my favorite of all the series is they tended to shy away from such nonsense and make the story about the characters more than the weird and sometimes absurd science. But even DS9 fell off that wagon from time to time with episodes like the Little Ship.

 

[T.D. Possum]

But even DS9 fell off that wagon from time to time with episodes like the Little Ship.

I loved that episode! But then, I also own the box set of the "Land of The Giants" DVDs, complete with collectible Spindrift keychain.

That's the beauty of Trek, though. Most of the episodes are a happy medium, but then then are both super-serious morality play eps and wacky, campy episodes with lizard babies and cross dressing Ferengi. Something for everyone.

 

[C.E. Evans]

If I was redoing "Threshold," I'd have the Voyager gang discover a broken transwarp coil[highlight]*[/highlight] on some lifeless, war-ravaged alien planet and try to rebuild it.

The problem is that the transwarp coil could just as well destroy the Voyager as it could get them home. Janeway has to decide either to risk the lives of her crew on an alien drive that might kill them all or stay the course and find a safer way home.

In the end, it becomes a moot point because the repaired transwarp coil can't create a stable transwarp conduit for the Voyager to enter. The defective coil is removed and dismantled, but Torres believes that some of the alien tech might be able to increase the Voyager's warp engine efficiency significantly and shave a decade off their voyage home.


[highlight]*[/highlight]In a later episode, it is revealed that the alien transwarp coil was of Borg design and its brief reactivation is ultimately what alerts the Collective of the presence of a Federation starship in the Delta Quadrant...

 

[exodus]

Meh.

It's fiction, a major majority of most fiction is absurd.
Come, what are the chances that beings on the other side of the galaxy also find the representation of clowns frightnening. "Up The Long Ladder", we really believe that in the 24 cerntury that there would be people that would colonize space only to live like they were back in the earily 1900? That Data also has an evil twin brother? That poverty & war don't exists anywhere on Earth? That someone can create enough anti-matter to power a fleet of starships?

For me in fiction and especially science fiction when I suspend my disbelief the story has to stay consistent within its own dogma. And when Trek starts to fall of its own proverbial cliff when it comes to the science and tech it loses its entertainment value and IMHO becomes absurd.

Episodes like Threshold and the TNG Episode where the crew devolves into spiders, fish and early humanoids is where I start to check out. It's simply a personal preference.

One of the reasons that DS9 is my favorite of all the series is they tended to shy away from such nonsense and make the story about the characters more than the weird and sometimes absurd science. But even DS9 fell off that wagon from time to time with episodes like the Little Ship.

Generally speaking, I've notice this in the Trek online community that many don't seem to appreciate quirky humor which is why many don't seem to like Ferengi episodes. I guess it depends on how seriously you take Trek or sci-fi, I really don't know. Having a very quirky sense of humor myself, I appreciate it much of it even "Spirit Folk".

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

I never believed Up the Long Ladder was real. I consider it an absurd holodeck program.

I thought they were a colony of actual real people, not a holodeck program.

However, the point is, Trek has been doing these types of stories for a long long time now.
Come on: "A Piece of the Action" is a fan favorite and that jammie is corny as hell.
Same with "The Trouble w/ Tribbles" and that gets voted the #1 fan favorite of all time for TOS.
With all the morality plays Trek has, fans vote a story about little purring balls of fur their favorite Trek but we scoff at folks becoming salamanders.
Sorry but I find that absurd.

Meaning, I prefer to pretend the episode isn't real.

 

[DarthTom]

Generally speaking, I've notice this in the Trek online community that many don't seem to appreciate quirky humor which is why many don't seem to like Ferengi episodes. I guess it depends on how seriously you take Trek or sci-fi, I really don't know. Having a very quirky sense of humor myself, I appreciate it much of it even "Spirit Folk".

True. There seems to be three sets of fans:

1. Trek fans that only watch the show for the space battles

2. Trek fans that watch the show for the positive view of the future, the story arcs, and to a lesser extent the space battles.

3. Trek fans that have latched onto a specific character and/or series.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

Sometimes it isn't a specific character, but a specific actor.

 

[DarthTom]

Sometimes it isn't a specific character, but a specific actor.

You got that right 'Kate.'

My favorite actress in all of Star Trek was Terri Ferrell not only because I think she was a great actress but also she had the balls to tell the fans and the producers she want an exit from the show.

 

[exodus]

I never believed Up the Long Ladder was real. I consider it an absurd holodeck program.

I thought they were a colony of actual real people, not a holodeck program.

However, the point is, Trek has been doing these types of stories for a long long time now.
Come on: "A Piece of the Action" is a fan favorite and that jammie is corny as hell.
Same with "The Trouble w/ Tribbles" and that gets voted the #1 fan favorite of all time for TOS.
With all the morality plays Trek has, fans vote a story about little purring balls of fur their favorite Trek but we scoff at folks becoming salamanders.
Sorry but I find that absurd.

Meaning, I prefer to pretend the episode isn't real.

None of it is real.

I'm only messin' with you, I know what you mean.

 

[exodus]

Sometimes it isn't a specific character, but a specific actor.

You got that right 'Kate.'

My favorite actress in all of Star Trek was Terri Ferrell not only because I think she was a great actress but also she had the balls to tell the fans and the producers she want an exit from the show.

Plus, she's freakin' HOT!!!

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

What I would change is I'd just have them take the salamander babies with them.

The Doctor finds a way to make them humanoid, and they join the crew.

 

[DarthTom]

Plus, she's freakin' HOT!!!

And had a lesbian relationship and on screen girl/girl kiss on the show.

DS9 rocked man - but I'm saying this in the wrong forum ain't I.

 

[henbane]

Where Threshold became unraveled in my opinion was at the point that Paris abducted Janeway. Up until that point the story wasn't that bad. But the salamander procreating beings is when it became utterly absurd.

Meh.

It's fiction, a major majority of most fiction is absurd.
Come, what are the chances that beings on the other side of the galaxy also find the representation of clowns frightnening. "Up The Long Ladder", we really believe that in the 24 cerntury that there would be people that would colonize space only to live like they were back in the earily 1900? That Data also has an evil twin brother? That poverty & war don't exists anywhere on Earth? That someone can create enough anti-matter to power a fleet of starships? We suspend belief for all of this but people turning into salamaders & mating is far fetched? It was nothing but a Trek version of "Altered States".

Actually exodus - i was thinking the same thing regarding "Altered States" and Voyager - I just saw that movie again recently and it's classic B-grade sci-fi stuff.

I didn't take this episode of Voyager too seriously - I think they tried to improve on the "TNG version" (and failed) but I wouldn't rewrite it....if only as a contrast against Voyagers good episodes.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

Plus, she's freakin' HOT!!!

And had a lesbian relationship and on screen girl/girl kiss on the show.

DS9 rocked man - but I'm saying this in the wrong forum ain't I.

What lesbian relationship? There was never a 'relationship' and there couldn't be. It was against the rules.

Sad episode, really...

 

[DarthTom]

What lesbian relationship? There was never a 'relationship' and there couldn't be. It was against the rules.

Sad episode, really...

Actually as a lesbian I'm surprised you're not more of a DS9 fan than Voyager. Terri Ferrell kisses the other woman on screen [a Trek first] in Rejoined and of course Kira in the mirror universe is at a minimum a bisexual if not a full out lesbian.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

There was never a 'relationship' and there couldn't be. It was against the rules.

I'd say she has seen the ep. "It was against the rules" for previously joined symbiont couples to rejoin in other bodies.

One kiss does not a relationship make, and if it did then Janeway has some explaining to do about Q.

 

[exodus]

What lesbian relationship? There was never a 'relationship' and there couldn't be. It was against the rules.

Sad episode, really...

Actually as a lesbian I'm surprised you're not more of a DS9 fan than Voyager. Terri Ferrell kisses the other woman on screen [a Trek first] in Rejoined and of course Kira in the mirror universe is at a minimum a bisexual if not a full out lesbian.

I'm sorry but what does ones sexuality have to do with what TV shows they're a fan of?

Kira wasn't a Lesbian(necessarily) in the Mirror Universe, what they were showing was that she was a deviant in all aspects of her life.