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how would YOU handle the Wraith

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Temis the Vorta

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Well the clock is tickin' on ole SG:A so we better get in all the polls while there's still time. Let's say you're in command of the IOA or whoever has decision-making powers over whether to go or stay in Pegasus. You have four options, which do you choose?
 
My vote: the situation is morally untenable. Whatever you do, you will be wrong. Just leave and don't look back.
 
Given how most of the Pegasus inhabitants seem to feel about the Atlantis expedition (rightly or wrongly), I'd say leave them to it.
 
Easy.

Develop the Hoffan drug until it only kills the feeding Wraith and not 30% of those taking it as well and then offer the Wraith a choice - use the gene therapy to allow them to eat food or starve to death.

Running away back to the Milky Way won't do any good as they'll eventually find a lost Ancient ship or something and figure out how to spread beyond Pegasus.
 
Upload Avenger 2.0 into the Pegasus gates and then leave the Attero device on.
 
I vote just leave and lock the gate. The wraith probably would NOT follow us back. They seem more than content to just stay where they are and feed the way they have been for thousands of years.
 
I voted to leave, but it seems unfair. To cut and run seems cowardly, but I'm not sure if they've made life better or worse.
 
With the number of other species, including humans, at risk from the Wraith that we woke up prematurely, I would say to stay and fight until they sue for peace.

If some other solution such as the Hoffan drug then all the better. Otherwise we have to neutralize the threat.
 
"leave Pegasus immediately and lock out the Stargate "

Seriously, we have 3 ZPMs total, I say put them all in Atlantis and fly the city back to Earth.
 
Honestly, as a human and therefore considered food by the Wraith, I would do anything possible to completely wipe them out. I'm sure if they had the ability cows, pigs and chickens would do the same thing to us humans.
 
Honestly, as a human and therefore considered food by the Wraith, I would do anything possible to completely wipe them out. I'm sure if they had the ability cows, pigs and chickens would do the same thing to us humans.


Just give'em some time man.;)
 
I have always seen the Wraith as "altered Homo-sapiens". Therefore, they should be cured of their affliction. I have a hard time saying this since they are pretty much immortal, which I consider to be a good thing. I honestly don't understand writing/people which espouse the idea that immortality is some kind of hell.
 
I vote just leave and lock the gate. The wraith probably would NOT follow us back. They seem more than content to just stay where they are and feed the way they have been for thousands of years.

Particularly if Earth (and our allies in the Milky Way) is prepared for the threat and fights back hard. The Pegasans are so technologically backwards that it would be simple for the Milky Way to be the much tougher dinner. The Wraith will stick with the easy dinner.

Another option that I really should have listed but didn't think of is the long-term strategy. Assume that if the Wraith are left alone, there is some possibility they will either eat up all the Pegasus humans or increase in numbers enough that they need new feeding grounds.

If this happens, any strategy other than eventual genocide (whether through some technological DNA fix or just a good ole fashioned bullet between the eyes) is self-defeating, in the long run. But since we have time on our side, we could put out feelers to Pegasus to establish solid alliances aimed at eventually throwing our firepower in to the fight against the Wraith.

What we don't do is tip our hand early by stopping cullings or fighting the Wraith willy-nilly. A good strategy would be to hook up with the largest power - say, the Genii - and start funnelling weapons to them to allow them to defend themselves. That has the advantage of locking in the genuine support of any power we hook up with - they see the advantage to themselves. It has the drawback of drawing attention from the Wraith, so a low-level armament program would be best; give the Genii only the level of firepower to help them improve their situation and cement their alliance but not enough to prompt the Wraith to try to wipe them out.

Then repeat this procedure throughout Pegasus, focusing on strategic allies (in terms of power, position and resources) and always testing them to ensure they won't double-cross us. The Genii might well get kicked out of the alliance along the way if they don't behave; but they could get another chance once they understand that they're only hurting themselves with their untrustworthy behavior. There will probably be many allies who will have to learn the hard way, but I'd say giving them one second chance to fall in line is reasonable. Make sure they understand there won't be a third.

The armament program will have to be disguised in some way, such as a new group of arms traders plying their wares. The Wraith must not be allowed to learn this is a coordinated strategy and very few Pegasus allies will be trustworthy enough to be let in on the whole story.

Once Earth has enough reasonably solid alliances in place, then it's time to pounce by sending large amounts of weaponry and spaceships, which Earth has been stockpiling for years or even decades. Then we take out the Wraith in one fell swoop.

In parallel, there will be Wraith DNA experimentation going on, just in case some other option can be developed that is not technically genocidal (though I tend to think of these solutions as genocide by another means). So it will be a race between Plan A and Plan B, to see who pans out first.

The Atlantis expedition doesn't need to be viewed as a failure. The strategy I outlined would be possible only because Atlantis has learned some valuable things, such as: you can't trust Pegasus allies; there are ways to alter Wraith DNA to change their feeding habits (unsuccessful so far, but it's a start); the Wraith target and destroy any powers capable of challenging them; and the Wraith are prone to internal divisions. All great intel that can be used to finally shape a winning strategy against them.

stay and fight until they sue for peace.
This makes no sense. Why would the Wraith ever negotiate for peace unless they have some human population as a food supply? And if the Atlanteans are willing to allow the Wraith to have a human food supply, why are they trying to stop the Wraith?
I'm sure if they had the ability cows, pigs and chickens would do the same thing to us humans.

Fortuntely the pigs being the smart ones, they'll just take over and run the farm as a communist dictatorship in which all animals are equal but some are more equal than others. ;)
 
Temis the Red-Nosed Vorta said:
stay and fight until they sue for peace.
This makes no sense. Why would the Wraith ever negotiate for peace unless they have some human population as a food supply? And if the Atlanteans are willing to allow the Wraith to have a human food supply, why are they trying to stop the Wraith?

It shouldn't make sense. I said it in hopes that those getting squishy about killing off all the Wraith, everywhere, might realize the Wraith would never stop on their own. :D
 
I don't see any easy way out at this point. The mistakes have just compounded to a critical mass at this point that anything short of evacuating Pegasus (and then, even that might not be enough anymore) would probably be ineffective.
 
Well the clock is tickin' on ole SG:A so we better get in all the polls while there's still time. Let's say you're in command of the IOA or whoever has decision-making powers over whether to go or stay in Pegasus. You have four options, which do you choose?

I think it would have been interesting to have seen an entire planet of humans who made a deal with the wraith-the dominant group of humans would breed people like cattle to feed to the wraith. In return for this neverending food source, the wraith would protect the planet and agree not to cull them. Both these humans and the wraith could have been a long term enemy, and perhaps a little more complex than the ones they have on the show currently.

Stargate did something like this, but only for a single episode, and it was an underdeveloped concept.
 
I wish Michael could have come up with a way to wipe out the Wraith without the need to kill so many humans. Dominion over a galaxy of different races is one deplorable goal, but almost tolerable compared to being the food supply to such a worthless race of beings. It's beyond intolerable.

They have to be eliminated from the universe, or die trying. The replicator problem was more pressing in a time sense, but there was nothing noble or redeeming in the Wraith, and the way of things is just not acceptable.

Cattle may feel that way, too. Some day, it'll be their turn and I'll be ready for them! :D
 
I vote just leave and lock the gate. The wraith probably would NOT follow us back. They seem more than content to just stay where they are and feed the way they have been for thousands of years.

Particularly if Earth (and our allies in the Milky Way) is prepared for the threat and fights back hard. The Pegasans are so technologically backwards that it would be simple for the Milky Way to be the much tougher dinner. The Wraith will stick with the easy dinner.

Another option that I really should have listed but didn't think of is the long-term strategy. Assume that if the Wraith are left alone, there is some possibility they will either eat up all the Pegasus humans or increase in numbers enough that they need new feeding grounds.

If this happens, any strategy other than eventual genocide (whether through some technological DNA fix or just a good ole fashioned bullet between the eyes) is self-defeating, in the long run. But since we have time on our side, we could put out feelers to Pegasus to establish solid alliances aimed at eventually throwing our firepower in to the fight against the Wraith.

What we don't do is tip our hand early by stopping cullings or fighting the Wraith willy-nilly. A good strategy would be to hook up with the largest power - say, the Genii - and start funnelling weapons to them to allow them to defend themselves. That has the advantage of locking in the genuine support of any power we hook up with - they see the advantage to themselves. It has the drawback of drawing attention from the Wraith, so a low-level armament program would be best; give the Genii only the level of firepower to help them improve their situation and cement their alliance but not enough to prompt the Wraith to try to wipe them out.

Then repeat this procedure throughout Pegasus, focusing on strategic allies (in terms of power, position and resources) and always testing them to ensure they won't double-cross us. The Genii might well get kicked out of the alliance along the way if they don't behave; but they could get another chance once they understand that they're only hurting themselves with their untrustworthy behavior. There will probably be many allies who will have to learn the hard way, but I'd say giving them one second chance to fall in line is reasonable. Make sure they understand there won't be a third.

The armament program will have to be disguised in some way, such as a new group of arms traders plying their wares. The Wraith must not be allowed to learn this is a coordinated strategy and very few Pegasus allies will be trustworthy enough to be let in on the whole story.

Once Earth has enough reasonably solid alliances in place, then it's time to pounce by sending large amounts of weaponry and spaceships, which Earth has been stockpiling for years or even decades. Then we take out the Wraith in one fell swoop.

In parallel, there will be Wraith DNA experimentation going on, just in case some other option can be developed that is not technically genocidal (though I tend to think of these solutions as genocide by another means). So it will be a race between Plan A and Plan B, to see who pans out first.

The Atlantis expedition doesn't need to be viewed as a failure. The strategy I outlined would be possible only because Atlantis has learned some valuable things, such as: you can't trust Pegasus allies; there are ways to alter Wraith DNA to change their feeding habits (unsuccessful so far, but it's a start); the Wraith target and destroy any powers capable of challenging them; and the Wraith are prone to internal divisions. All great intel that can be used to finally shape a winning strategy against them.

stay and fight until they sue for peace.
This makes no sense. Why would the Wraith ever negotiate for peace unless they have some human population as a food supply? And if the Atlanteans are willing to allow the Wraith to have a human food supply, why are they trying to stop the Wraith?
I'm sure if they had the ability cows, pigs and chickens would do the same thing to us humans.

Fortuntely the pigs being the smart ones, they'll just take over and run the farm as a communist dictatorship in which all animals are equal but some are more equal than others. ;)


Theres only one problem.

Since the knowledge of Earth was tortured out of Colonel Sumner in the first episode, the Wraith now know theres a buffet table waiting for them:an especially tempting table given they were overpopulated.

If the Atlantis team turned tail and locked/buried the gate, we'd still have to deal with the Wraith. Maybe in 50 years, maybe just 5 , but its delaying the inevitable.

Think to SG1 and "There but for the Grace of God".Had we just buried the 'gate we'd still be wiped out by the Goa'ould-Stargate or not.

As far as genocide goes, since the Wraith consider us as food (and not as enemy combatants of equal nature) any tactic to stop them including wiping them out en-masse, should be employed. Since they cannot accord humanity with the moral respect to seek another avanue of sustenance , we in turn should spare no thought to wiping them out-as long as they dont exist long enough to retaliate in kind.

Using mass destruction weapons on an honorable enemy that can be defeated in other ways is genocide. But the Wraith are NOT honorable, and cant be defeated without a morally questionable tactic.

And running, as outlined above , is not an option.That's the risk of exploration:youre gonna find stuff thats awful just as likely as youll find something cool.

-Silversmok3
 
leave as soon as everything useful is ripped out of atlantis and the database is copied, there are a grand sum of 0 likeable people in the pegasus galaxy, stay in the milkyway building a fleet of asgard enhanced 304's.

plus (iam not 100% certain of the timeline) surely by the time that the wraith could get to the milky way (rubbish hyper drives) the milky way would consist solely of earth and her allies, a potent force of 304's, free jaffa mother ships and a fair few other friendly races. the wraith would be a long way away from reinforcements. hell with the brainwash device there may even be a fair size force of friendly ex-ori ships to help.
 
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