How would you feel if "Discovery" is revealed to be set in a mirror universe?
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It’s not the Prime universe either. At least not the one shown in TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9 & ENT!
Nah, it pretty clearly is.It’s not the Prime universe either. At least not the one shown in TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9 & ENT!
There are enough discrepancies throughout the hundreds of hours of Trek that we may as well say that there's a separate universe for every series and every movie, and sometimes even different episodes of the exact same series!
But is the show itself enjoyable in its own right? That's what I prefer to focus on.
Kor
But is the show itself enjoyable in its own right? That's what I prefer to focus on.
Kor
To the original question, nope. There has never been a single instance in the Mirror Universe, to my recollection anyway, where the standard Starfleet arrowhead was used as an insignia or in any other function. By Archer's time, the sword-through-the-planet logo became synonymous with the Imperial Starfleet and emblazoned on damn near everything with a rivet shot through it. No such heraldry is in evidence in DSC, nor are the Vulcans acting as the subservient race to the Terrans that they were in the MU. Definitely the Prime Standard Universe.
Exactly so. This whole discussion about whether it is prime or not seems pretty redundant to me, when Star Trek has never really presented a coherent and plausible universe in the first place. I have no problem making it all fit in my head, but I don't pretend TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY and ENT are somehow more internally consistent with one another than Discovery and the other shows. It's somewhat silly, in my opinion, to say this has to be another fictional universe, because it looks different, presents some of the details differently and feels a little darker. Add to that the fact that the creators are confirming its setting in the same universe as the previous shows and I don't see why this is still being discussed. But oh well, Trekkies will be Trekkies, I guess. It's all good.
One think Trek has been pretty consistent about is the looks of different eras. When we have seen time travel, flashbacks or holodeck recreations of previous eras it has always pretty much looked the same as it did when that era was portrayed the first time. This is really not the case with Discovery, and many would say for understandable reasons, but nevertheless this what makes this different.Exactly so. This whole discussion about whether it is prime or not seems pretty redundant to me, when Star Trek has never really presented a coherent and plausible universe in the first place. I have no problem making it all fit in my head, but I don't pretend TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY and ENT are somehow more internally consistent with one another than Discovery and the other shows. It's somewhat silly, in my opinion, to say this has to be another fictional universe, because it looks different, presents some of the details differently and feels a little darker. Add to that the fact that the creators are confirming its setting in the same universe as the previous shows and I don't see why this is still being discussed. But oh well, Trekkies will be Trekkies, I guess. It's all good.
When Kelvinverse changed the look, there was (IMHO, completely implausible) in-universe 'justification' for it. I think some people are expecting something similar here.
This.
What is not being talked about though is how this would you change you theories in regards to the story. If you say it's a alternate timeline then it means the spore drive doesn't have to be doomed to fail. It also opens up the idea that someone like Sarek could be killed or be seen as a villian that we didn't expect, which would make some sense to me because the actor they hired is good at playing villians. It also means Section 31 can be around but doesn't have to operate like it did on DS9 and the Romulans all of sudden can become players since they don't have to be in hiding. PLus the tech can even get more wilder if needed.
Jason
Jason
That was going to be my answer! We'd have a heroic Michael, Klingons that can speak English, Phillipa would be alive, Saru would be short and red, Stamets would be cooking mushrooms in the kitchen for a bright eyed Lorca. Tilly would be a snob.
Cannonites need to give over. This is the Prime universe. Archer > Georgiou/Lorca > Pike/Kirk > Picard > Sisko > Janeway.
This ain't no party. It ain't no disco. It ain't no reboot.
This ain't no party. It ain't no disco. It ain't no reboot.
Oops, I would be disgusted if it is revealed as Mirror verse. Or JJ verse.
A mirror universe means it can be both? It's not like the show can do anything to impact the other shows anyways so it's not like it would impact next year's TNG season so it's not like they themselves would benefit from the show.
Jason
Exactly so. This whole discussion about whether it is prime or not seems pretty redundant to me, when Star Trek has never really presented a coherent and plausible universe in the first place. I have no problem making it all fit in my head, but I don't pretend TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY and ENT are somehow more internally consistent with one another than Discovery and the other shows. It's somewhat silly, in my opinion, to say this has to be another fictional universe, because it looks different, presents some of the details differently and feels a little darker. Add to that the fact that the creators are confirming its setting in the same universe as the previous shows and I don't see why this is still being discussed. But oh well, Trekkies will be Trekkies, I guess. It's all good.
As I've said before, Trek canon is a mythos, and I think it's okay to depart from it at times because mythology is full of stories which partially conflict.
That said, IMHO you need to have a damn good reason to depart from canon, otherwise the work hardly seems worth it. The Klingon redesign is a great example. Lots of thought and money went into it, and the execution is pretty effin awful.
TO me a alternate universe is a different question than the ole reboot/prime one because I REALLY didn't want to talk about that once again. To me it basically is the best of both worlds, especially if universe jumping is worked into the show on a regular basis like a "Sliders" or "Fringe." You can have your cake and eat it to as I think that expression goes. PLus their is fact that you can explore other timelines beyond the Discovery,Prime,Mirror and Kelvin UNiverse. Maybe you have one filled with Shrimp. You might have one were the Federaton is destroyed and another were apes control earth and make up the the crew except for the aliens.
Jason
How is this new theory any different than it being an alternate reality / reboot? Completely unimaginative.
Although it will be like Lost all over again. So they were in purgatory all this time after all!
I actually proposed this a week ago as a semi-serious / semi-tongue-in-cheek thread:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/the...its-crew-no-spoilers-just-speculation.290386/
They're all in purgatory. The Discovery is a ship of the dead. Burnham et al. died on the Shenzhou. They are waging a war with dead Klingons, which now seems more likely, considering they've been hanging out on T'Kumva's ship for six months with no food... And one of them has been condemned to live on the equally-dead Shenzhou.
How can you magically jump around the galaxy on moonbeams and mushrooms if you're alive? There's no such technology!
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Annoyed. I never really enjoyed the concept of "it's like our universe but everyone's bad!" and I think it would play out way too campy for this series. It was fun on TOS and ENT, but was awful on DS9, which was a series more like DSC.
Again though, I don't quite understand this need by some fans to declare that this can't possibly be the Prime Universe. It's like we never had to reason out inconsistencies before.
Again though, I don't quite understand this need by some fans to declare that this can't possibly be the Prime Universe. It's like we never had to reason out inconsistencies before.
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