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How would the show be different if Denise Crosby hadn't left?

I don't think Tasha was an interesting enough character and Crosby a good enough actor for the writers to construct good plots around. She'd just fade into the background with the occasional bone tossed her way once or twice a season. Fans online would probable refer to her in the same "loving" terms they use for Travis and Harry.
 
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Guess Data admitting he and Tasha got it on in Measure of a Man might have been more awkward if Tasha was there.
 
For starters, there'd almost certainly be no "Legacy" and no Sela.

I'm not sure what they would've had Worf do. They never DID say what his job in season 1 was, did they? It's possible they might've still had some of the Klingon-heavy episodes like "Sins of the Father" and "Redemption" (though again, no Sela).

They MIGHT have still done "Yesterday's Enterprise" (but probably with a very different final act).

Any other changes you can think of?
I would have been happy with no Sela. What a waste of the actress' time and effort (with a really horrible wig, to boot!).

Worf became The Character That Ate The Show - not only in TNG, but also DS9. I came to absolutely HATE him. I don't give a damn about Klingon politics, Klingon religion, all that "macho" swaggering around that apparently ALL Klingons are required to do - if Michael Dorn could play a Klingon lawyer in TUC, why couldn't he have played some other kind of Klingon character in TNG than the stereotypical fighter?

Well, I'm going to be a voice of dissent and say that Denise Crosby staying is one of the few things that could've really improved TNG, assuming the writers got a better grasp on her character in later seasons (which they almost surely would've, as they got better grasps on all the others). Her character had far more potential for development than Worf, who was always kind of one-dimensional and never seemed to really learn much, even through all seven seasons. Seeing Tasha struggle to balance her passionate, impulsive nature with the control and sophistication that made her so respect Picard would've been very interesting.

Worf could've replaced Geordi at the helm when he became chief engineer, thus ending the limbo. And frankly, I would much rather have seen episodes focusing on Tasha's difficult past and personal struggles than the Klingon episodes, which have always bored me.
Absolutely. The only thing about Worf that changed over the seven years was his haircut.

Tasha was the exception to the rule that the Federation Is Perfect. There is a FANTASTIC fanfic I'm reading about her Starfleet Academy years, during which she's not only doing her damndest to get through her classes, but also to deal with her personal demons - learning to trust people, develop social skills appropriate to Earth and Starfleet culture, and dealing with PTSD.

Most of the Enterprise crew either come from Earth or from highly developed, socially and economically stable colony worlds (or the alien equivalent). They can't possibly imagine what life is like for people who have no choice but to live as Tasha did when she was young. She could have contributed invaluable insights to Picard and the other crew on how people think and behave in such situations.

They probably only thought of Ishara as a way to mess with the crew's heads, since Tasha was dead. But they certainly could have done the character either way. They may have had a "Tasha goes home" type of story had she stayed.
That would have worked out even better. I hated it that Tasha wasn't around to defend herself against the nasty stuff Ishara kept saying.

I liked Tasha but it was also evident that nine characters were too much. Geordi and Worf had no decent position during the first season, a pilot rarely has much to say and Worf was often just an extra who stood around at the five consoles behind tactical.
Evidently the producers felt differently. DS9 had eight, later nine, main cast members (plus a dozen or so significant recurring ones), while Voyager had nine. Both had one cast member leave the show, but unlike TNG, they both introduced a new replacement character.

Admittedly, though, in both cases, characters fell by the wayside and were underused. (Jake, Harry)

Even on Enterprise, with only seven (would've been eight had it continued), a couple wound up being used less than could've been.
If they thought 8 or 9 were too many to write for, they should try soap writing, where there may be a couple of dozen characters.

They could've taken out the episodes involving Deanna's mother (because everyone hates those) and some of the boring Klingon stuff. Then they would've had plenty of time to utilize Tasha's character, and the show would've been better for it.
Some of the Lwaxana Troi stuff was pointless, but most of it was at least funny. The episode about the scientist who was expected to submit to euthanasia just because he'd reached mandatory life expectancy was a really excellent episode.

IMO, Worf was essentially meant to be the token Klingon on the Enterprise, there really just to show how much progress had been made since TOS.
Worf was supposedly the first Klingon in Starfleet, if I remember right. Considering all the decades between the movies and TNG, why would he be the first? Shouldn't there have been any before then? Even as part of a cultural exchange?

I tend to think that if Tasha had stayed, they would have split tactical and security between them, with Tasha becoming the chief tactical officer (staying on the bridge firing the weapons), with Worf as the one doing the more physical stuff under her direction. As a result, I believe there would be episodes where Tasha's more of a presence than Worf and vice-versa.
This would have worked fine, as long as she got to do more than just fire weapons.

A part of me also thinks that Tasha and Geordi might have been a couple. While Worf would probably be the more obvious choice, I think for that very reason they wouldn't be (they may look at each other more as fellow warriors or even like siblings rather than as lovers). On the other hand, Geordi would be the least likely, and sometimes opposites do attract...
It's too bad they never explored that relationship. Geordi made it very clear, early on, that he was attracted to Tasha. I don't think she considered him as any more than a friend, but then that's how she related to all the crew.

Actually you could have still had the Yesterday's Enterprise plot (with Crosby) pretty much as it happen, with the exception of some of Guinan's dialog, and the tag scene in ten forward.. And the Sela storyline too. When Sela first appears on the main viewer, Tasha could have been at tactical with a very surprised look on her face.

:)
How...? :confused: You would have had to delete Guinan completely from the episode, as she's the one who kept insisting that Tasha was supposed to be dead. And there's no way that Tasha could go back in time, become Sela's mother, AND have stayed on the Enterprise in the present.

I don't think Tasha was an interesting enough character and Crosby a good enough actor for the writers to construct good plots around. She'd just fade into the background with the occasional bone tossed her way once or twice a season. Fans online would probable refer to her in the same "loving" terms they use for Travis and Harry.
Ahem. SOME of us like Tasha. In fact, she was my favorite TNG character.
 
I don't think Tasha was an interesting enough character and Crosby a good enough actor for the writers to construct good plots around. She'd just fade into the background with the occasional bone tossed her way once or twice a season. Fans online would probable refer to her in the same "loving" terms they use for Travis and Harry.
Ahem. SOME of us like Tasha. In fact, she was my favorite TNG character.
I'm sure Travis and Harry have fans, too. Even Neelix must have a fan or two out there in Trekdom. It's a wide and varied fanbase.
 
...a disaster of biblical proportions.

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

...or worse: another "Drugs are bad mmmmk" speech.
 
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IMO, Worf was essentially meant to be the token Klingon on the Enterprise, there really just to show how much progress had been made since TOS.
Worf was supposedly the first Klingon in Starfleet, if I remember right. Considering all the decades between the movies and TNG, why would he be the first? Shouldn't there have been any before then? Even as part of a cultural exchange?
The supposed Federation-Klingon alliance was only 20 years old by the time of TNG (the Khitomer Accords back in Star Trek VI was really just an agreement for the Federation and the Klingons to stop shooting at each other). It was the sacrifice of the Enterprise-C at Narendra III that really made them allies.
I tend to think that if Tasha had stayed, they would have split tactical and security between them, with Tasha becoming the chief tactical officer (staying on the bridge firing the weapons), with Worf as the one doing the more physical stuff under her direction. As a result, I believe there would be episodes where Tasha's more of a presence than Worf and vice-versa.
This would have worked fine, as long as she got to do more than just fire weapons.
Yep, but that really goes for any Trek character outside of the captain. They have to be more than just their jobs. They can't be limited to saying "Yes, sir," "Aye, sir," and the occasional line of technobabble.
A part of me also thinks that Tasha and Geordi might have been a couple. While Worf would probably be the more obvious choice, I think for that very reason they wouldn't be (they may look at each other more as fellow warriors or even like siblings rather than as lovers). On the other hand, Geordi would be the least likely, and sometimes opposites do attract...
It's too bad they never explored that relationship. Geordi made it very clear, early on, that he was attracted to Tasha. I don't think she considered him as any more than a friend, but then that's how she related to all the crew.
Given her background, it really isn't all that surprising--to me, anyway--that Tasha came across as more than a little reserved and serious all the time at first (it took a space disease to show what she was suppressing). It would have been interesting to see where the character might have been taken in later seasons on the show, especially with different producers and writers by then.
 
I liked the Tasha character. If anything, she had the most memorable scenes in the first season.

As far as lack of screen time and development. the same thing could be said about Obrien, but after staying on for awhile, he came into his own, and became a central figure in DS9 later.

In some ways, she was the most outspoken character (sexual, moral, etc) on the show, when you study some of the episodes, at least IMO.

Who knows how far it could have went if she had stayed on till the later seasons.
 
It really is hard to say. DS9 took their annoying character of Bashir and made an active effort(and an ultimately successful one in my opinion) to improve upon him.

It's possible that the same could have happened with Yar. It's also possible that she gets the Harry Kim treatment being the butt of all the jokes and scorn. It seemed to me she was already on the road to this dubious position. As it turns out Geordi and Worf split this distinction in TNG after she left.

Or the Travis Mayweather treatment, after a season or so of trying to develop her they just give up and keep her around as a glorified extra to spout out lines related to her particular job and that's it.
 
I liked the Tasha character. If anything, she had the most memorable scenes in the first season.

As far as lack of screen time and development. the same thing could be said about Obrien, but after staying on for awhile, he came into his own, and became a central figure in DS9 later.

In some ways, she was the most outspoken character (sexual, moral, etc) on the show, when you study some of the episodes, at least IMO.

Who knows how far it could have went if she had stayed on till the later seasons.
But unlike O'Brien, she was name in the opening credits regular on TNG.
 
The writers pretty much gave Worf nothing to do in season one until we finally got Heart of Glory near the end of the first season, but his character had many memorable moments and Dorn's acting always made us want learn more about him. Tasha never was like that.
 
who certainly were not defined by their relationship to a man ... Troi in "Disaster,"
Troi was basically Chief O'Brien's puppet in that episode.

Frankly I have no idea how she made lieutenant commander. It was quite obvious favoritism went into her promotion to commander.
Her father is a dead Starfleet officer, her mother's is the Betazed Ambassador, and she walked around the Enterprise in a bunny suit.

Obviously Deanna Troi obtained her rank and position by way of her professional credentials.


Actually you could have still had the Yesterday's Enterprise plot (with Crosby)
How...? You would have had to delete Guinan completely from the episode, as she's the one who kept insisting that Tasha was supposed to be dead. And there's no way that Tasha could go back in time, become Sela's mother, AND have stayed on the Enterprise in the present.
Delete Guinan? She had a single conversation with Tasha about her death, plus gave her a few odd looks. Guinan's prime role in that episode was to convince Picard of the "wrongness" of the alternate timeline. That the Enterprise wasn't supposed to be a battleship and that it should have children aboard.

Tasha would have required a somewhat different reason to return with the E-C, but it wouldn't have been that difficult.

In the prime timeline Sela and Tasha were alive at the same time. While Sela's age was never given (iirc), from what she said she was about ten years older that Tasha. All that would have been necessary for the two to see each other on the viewscreen, or even to be in the same room, would have been for Tasha not to have been killed by Armus.


:)
 
Tasha getting killed was also probably the only reason Troi didn't get axed in season two. At that point, they had already gotten rid of Tasha and Beverly, so they couldn't get rid of Troi too. That would have been the entire first season female cast gone!

Marina Sirtis has to be very thankful Crosby decided to bail.
 
Exactly-- Obrien overcame that to being a semi solid cast member on TNG. Later he is a main cast member on DS9, building off his character from TNG.

Based on that, chances are that Tasha would have definetly would have been prominent.

The fact that in the later seasons, they kept mentioning her, or having a character or situation connected to her, suggests she had an affect.

Otherwise they would have just dumped her butt and forgotten about her--it was on one season..

I think it's something of a myth that Tasha was unimportant or was part of the background for the 1st season.

In just about every episode she had some presence or extensive dialog. In one way or another, she was all over the first season.

What made Ensign Ro different from Tasha? She was only on for a few episodes, and her character seems to be widely praised.
 
Exactly-- Obrien overcame that to being a semi solid cast member on TNG. Later he is a main cast member on DS9, building off his character from TNG.

Based on that, chances are that Tasha would have definetly would have been prominent.

The fact that in the later seasons, they kept mentioning her, or having a character or situation connected to her, suggests she had an affect.

Otherwise they would have just dumped her butt and forgotten about her--it was on one season..

I think it's something of a myth that Tasha was unimportant or was part of the background for the 1st season.

In just about every episode she had some presence or extensive dialog. In one way or another, she was all over the first season.

What made Ensign Ro different from Tasha? She was only on for a few episodes, and her character seems to be widely praised.
Better chance that she'd be the Travis.

Forbes is a better actor.
 
What made Ensign Ro different from Tasha? She was only on for a few episodes, and her character seems to be widely praised.

That's because Ro was an interesting character played by a good actor.

Tasha has never been accused of being interesting.
 
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