• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

How would DS9 be different, if it were made today instead of in the 90's ?

at Quark's

Vice Admiral
Admiral
I don't mean the obvious stuff, such as better visual effects and updated technology.

I'm assuming the same general (high quality) storyline and themes (War/politics/science vs. religion /shades of grey)

For example, would the Bajoran religion, or the conflict around and in Sisko (science/religion split) have been shown differently? In what ways (if any) would characters have been different?
Which aspects of the show were acceptable (or 'good storytelling') in the 90's but probably would have been done differently today?
 
Timing is everything. DS9 was a product of its time, both in the real world and in-universe. It was developed as a direct spinoff of TNG and if it was made today, it'd be more a spinoff of either DIS or PIC (season 2) and would continue a storyline from either of those shows instead.

I very much doubt it would involve Bajor or the Cardassians 30 years after TNG ended. The show wouldn't have the same creators behind it, but the current ones working with Alex Kurtzman. With different creators with their own ideas, it'd probably be so fundamentally different it would be completely unrecognizable (no Sisko, for example).
 
DS9 would border the Romulan Republic as it reasserts its power after the nova.

New aliens introduced to replace the Bajorans, a former slave race to the Romulans who are seeking Federation membership.

Commander could have a similar backstory, loss of spouse due to recent conflict, probably with the Borg intrusion from Picard Season 3.

Possibly more gray or morally ambiguous characters with Quark. Or no Quark but a black market syndicate trying to establish a foothold in former Romulan territory.

Wormhole for sure. Less religious possibly more protective, i.e. the commander feels a connection the world due to the wormhole aliens giving him peace. He views them as needing protection.
 
There's a very long list of things that would be different with DS9 if made today instead of the '90s.


Openly genderfluid, non-binary, and trans characters would be a part of the show. And it would not just be exclusive to humans either, Trill, Bajorans, Vulcan, even Klingons would be in on the fun. Poly relations would be more open and accepted as well.

Bashir and Garak would openly be a couple; there would be no hidden subtext, meaning no Garak-Ziyal relationship. I think that it would be relationship between Miles and Bashir that fans would wondering if there’s something more there, instead of a close friendship between two men

The relationship of Miles and Keiko O’Brien would be seen as odd; specifically, that there’s conflict in the relationship at all and they still stay together though everything. It would be expected that they either break up, an infidelity is involved at some point in the relationship (physically or emotionally), or they just don’t argue and have a peaceful and cooperative relationship.

Sisko’s story, even if the grieving over the loss of his wife was kept, wouldn’t be about his involvement of the Prophets and being the Emissary. It would be which side is he really on (i.e. the bigwigs of the increasingly authoritarian Federation or the people that live within the Federation), and the various structural changes he failed to make when he was once in a position of power (i.e. on the Federation Council), and why and how its led to cynicism within the Federation. With Jake, it would be how the messages of his father’s generation does not resonate with his, and it would be the source of distance between them

Kira actions would be treated like she was a part of the Rebel Alliance, meaning the complexity of her actions during the Occupation would be eroded. While a terrorist faction like the True Way would become 24 villains, and it would be more about the urgency of preventing an attack rather than exploring their motivations. The Maquis would be treated as Antifa, resisting the Cardassians and Dominion without assistance from the Federation; an action like Eddington attacking the Malinche doesn’t occur in the show. We’d probably see Section 31 try to internally break up the Maquis out of fears that they will turn against the Federation.

Nog’s PTSD story probably takes a darker turn, with PTSD explored among several officers, with a few of them taking their lives or the lives of others with them.

“Field of Fire” probably lasts several episodes, possibly the whole season. Meaning a whole season of Ezri being morally and psychologically conflicted in exploring the darker hosts of the Dax symbiont.

Dabo girls would be given a more feminist presentation i.e. Quark’s bar would be owned by a female Ferengi and the women are no longer there for the male gaze. The Vulcan Love Slave holosuite program might even see a genderswap in usage.

The Prophets would not be central to the conscious of the show. Or if they were, it would be a far more critical look at religion (fanaticism within religious structures, televangelism, erosion of the separation of church and state, miracles and divine intervention in the wake of major disasters or tragedies). Klingon religion would also be more criticized heavily, the Founders in the Dominion would not be worshiped by the Vorta and Jem’Hadar the Dominion would be led by the Karemma and the Dosi), and critiques of religion would even call back to TFF and Sha Ka Ree. The community aspect that religion provides would be treated as a secondary aspect. This would probably mean a show where the station is located somewhere else, far from Bajor.

On the flip side, the rise of the Cardassian Union and its expansive and pervasive influence in Federation colonies, along with the actions of the Obsidian, Order, Tal Shiar, Section 31 and Klingon Intelligence, would be more thoroughly analyzed. How intelligence is gathered and used, and how the accused are treated within judicial systems would be more explored.

There would be a more thorough look as to what happens when the oppressed becomes the oppressor i.e. Bajor picks on a fledgling world that is very similar to them.

A more critical look at the Federation-Klingon alliance, with Klingons behaving more like a rogue state killing dissidents within the Empire, and actively undermining the Federation’s political structure. “In the Pale Moonlight” might even be done from Martok’s perspective, instead of Sisko’s; not about protecting the Beta Quadrant, but the Klingon Empire.

We’d see a Ferenginar that is more openly favourable to 21st century Earth,, glorifying several business leaders and politicians in the process, and see nothing wrong with the problems that Earth faced during the period. 21st century Earth would be seen by Ferengi as the paradise that humans left behind.

Much would be made about how Starfleet warp engines have significantly threatened the fabric of space, making several M-class world unliveable and created more Badlands-like environments in the process, with a push for cleaner warp drives; everything from slipstream to the Romulan’s singularity drive to solar sails would be on the table and explored.

There would be more fear about androids like Data and holograms like Voyager EMH replacing humans and other species the workforce and in their personal lives. And in turn, the holosuites would be treated with controversy, as would exocomps.

It would not be shy to address mass murders in traditionally safe places like schools, churches and malls, using M-class world within the Federation as allegory, and get to the root causes of such events.

The Federation President, instead of the Bajoran Kai, would be the central political figure that makes recurring appearances throughout the show.
 
It would be a spin off of Strange New Worlds and Bajor would be a former Klingon controlled world. Sisko would be a vet of the Klingon War. Jennifer probably died in the war. Possibly in the attack on Sector 001. He might resent Pike for "sitting out" the war. If not for his "fate" I'd bring Sam Kirk and his family over to DS9 as the O'Brien analog. Kira wouldn't change much. Just redirected towards Klingons. Dukat would be a Klingon. La'An would show up in the third season to spice things up. ;)
 
The direct cause for starting this thread was something I said (half)jokingly in another thread, namely that viewers today might take offense at the Vedek ear-grabbing thing to read your pagh without asking for permission, (in the light of abuse in religious institutions that has become known over the last few decades and changed sensibilities in general), as a silly detail they'd probably do differently today. But that got me thinking about the more general issue, in which ways DS9 now is 'outdated', even when the themes it treats are fairly timeless. Such as for example viewers identifying Dax as a stand-in for trans people (which probably wasn't necessarily the intention when the character was created), or how clashing cultures have become even more of a thing since the 90's, and how that would 'translate' in the contemporary DS9 series, or the directions politics have taken since that time. So I was curious as to how others might view this.
 
How outdated would it really be? I think DS9 would be out of sync with contemporary Star Trek series, but would be in line with other series. I would argue that in the television landscape, fans would accept Lenara Kahn leaving, whereas that would cause controversy with the current Star Trek audience. Indeed, the potential to show a gay man dealing with loss--pretty much the bread and butter of an actor--had to be reversed not once, but twice: not only did the producers feel it necessary to bring back Culber, they invented a Trill story in order to bring to life the ghost of a dead boyfriend. ( Imagine if Beverly Crusher decided to make a physical body for Ronan, the candle spirit! ) DS9 constantly played it bittersweet: it was in the "romantic mode" of Michelet, where the personal lives of heroes were tragic, even of progress continued. While most Star Trek strives to make the audience feel good, but a new DS9 would compare well to other series.
 
in which ways DS9 now is 'outdated', even when the themes it treats are fairly timeless. Such as for example viewers identifying Dax as a stand-in for trans people (which probably wasn't necessarily the intention when the character was created), or how clashing cultures have become even more of a thing since the 90's, and how that would 'translate' in the contemporary DS9 series, or the directions politics have taken since that time.
Yeah, It's why I suggest what I suggest.

We lose the morally grey backstory with Kira and the Bajoran Resistance and analysis of terrorism (oddly, I might add), and the focus on religion, and the messianic presentation of Sisko (which could be an allegory for America's first Black President). But we would get to explore how left-wing groups are treated when they clash with US government policies. Critiques of the polarized state of America and the average Black experience in the aftermath of first Black president. And explore mental health care and fear of A.I. more in depth. And how a state balances foreign policy regarding rising fascist powers and rogue states and domestic policy when it feels like its falling apart.

Jake Sisko would probably be considered fake news if he still went down the reporting route, and maybe a victim of authoritarian brutality at the hands of the Cardassian, the Dominion or even Section 31. Maybe he’s the one get killed by Dukat instead of Jadzia.
 
It would be like Stargate Universe.

A doom-and-gloom scenario about a doomed space station and a constant bickering and arguing between the not so likeable characters.

I mean, it's 2024! What can you expect when it comes to series and movies?
 
The direct cause for starting this thread was something I said (half)jokingly in another thread, namely that viewers today might take offense at the Vedek ear-grabbing thing to read your pagh without asking for permission, (in the light of abuse in religious institutions that has become known over the last few decades and changed sensibilities in general), as a silly detail they'd probably do differently today. But that got me thinking about the more general issue, in which ways DS9 now is 'outdated', even when the themes it treats are fairly timeless. Such as for example viewers identifying Dax as a stand-in for trans people (which probably wasn't necessarily the intention when the character was created), or how clashing cultures have become even more of a thing since the 90's, and how that would 'translate' in the contemporary DS9 series, or the directions politics have taken since that time. So I was curious as to how others might view this.
I don't think DS9 is outdated, actually I think no Star Trek show is outdated.
Well, it's about the future...a better future. ;)
 
I don't think DS9 is outdated, actually I think no Star Trek show is outdated.
Well, it's about the future...a better future. ;)
Star Trek is definitely not outdated, especially not DS9.

Star Trek as a project is storytelling at its best, exciting scenarios, good characters and interaction between them. Not to mention the hope of a better future.

The only thing which can bring Star Trek down is if it is tainted by the current doom-and-gloom trend which has ruined movies, series and entertainment in general. Unfortunately that negative trend has been creeping into Star Trek as well.

Fortunately we do have series like TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY to watch.
 
I think since a lot of DS9 was looking back at some universal subjects that you'd just see the same stories but through a new 21st century lens. Kira as terrorist/freedom fighter would probably get similar exploration as to how Ron Moore did the New Caprica arc on BSG. Bajor as various allegorical peoples of the 20th century becomes fodder for various allegorical peoples of the 21st century. I reckon they'd do allegories for drone warfare and civilian casualties, like some badmiral wipes out a city to kill one changeling. The threat of cyberattacks become literal cyberattacks with holograms infiltrating the station via corrupted replicators spawning holo emitters. I think the omnisexuality of Dax if not everyone in general is more direct and shown. I think DS9 would pick up stuff like synths rights or holograms rights and run with it more, like how they ran further with the Maquis than Voyager. I think the Dominion would play out a little differently, like a closer dark reflection of the Federation, a road not travelled, like Confederation of Earth.
 
I don't think DS9 is outdated, actually I think no Star Trek show is outdated.
Well, it's about the future...a better future. ;)

It wasn't my intention to suggest DS9 might be outdated as a whole. Just that there might be aspects of it which would have been done differently today, due to changed tastes, sensibilities, the political situation in the world, etcetera.

The world has changed significantly since the nineties, after all.
 
Wormhole for sure.
I don't think that's a sure thing at all, I'd even go so far to say that the wormhole would be very unlikely to exist. DS9 had the wormhole because the writers needed to explain how a space station in the space boonies got any kind of importance and how and why various aliens would appear.

But heavily serialized shows are much more accepted today than they were back then and the seasons are much shorter, there's less incentive to add a macguffin that literally spits out random alien plots to get 26 stories per year.

I agree that the new show would be set on the romulan border, that's just the natural setting for this kind of show in modern Star Trek with the empire having collapsed. But hat also means it would border the former neutral zone which already provides lots of opportunities for varied stories in addition to the serialized plot.

I also don't think Kira would be a terrorist/resistance fighter. Old DS9 had the cardassians leave because Bajor was stripped of most resources and the continued fightng made it not worth it for the cardassian government with the reduced benefits from strip mining the planet, in the new version the romulans would have left because their homeworld blew up.
I think it's likely this version of Kira would be much more outwardly religious, maybe even gaining some of Kai Winn's views, I could see Kira fighting over the school curriculum if it contradicts her religion (without that being the setup for an assassination plot).

The major antagonists would be the ferengi instead of the dominion, they'd see lots of opportunities in the former neutral zone and could probably very effectively build up a power base there through unregulated commerce and today's audience would also see a bigger danger in them. In the 90s an enemy driven by greed was seen as a joke but today we have Elon Musk who literally showed up NASA by throwing a lot of money at very smart people and now has the ability to personally cut entire regions off from the internet if they rely on starlink.
 
heavily serialized shows are much more accepted today than they were back then and the seasons are much shorter, there's less incentive to add a macguffin that literally spits out random alien plots to get 26 stories per year.
That wouldn't be it's purpose here.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top