How will Trek XI blend in with the rest of Trek

[CommanderRaytas]

Oh good, the thing is I sometimes have trouble getting what's okay to say and what's not, so I panic when I have the impression someone's been offended by me. Also, I have a problem with sarcasm.

We have the same opinion, then.

...oh and btw I think that was what the OP meant, too.

 

[startrekrcks]

maybe people are afraid of change why can't they not accept it as part of the Trek family.

 

[Bones2]

maybe people are afraid of change why can't they not accept it as part of the Trek family.

Or maybe people like their Trek cerebral with a message between the action. Or just don't like change for its own sake. Don't you read other posts before you say things?

 

[startrekrcks]

I think people are very strict on what they call Star Trek did you not think the other movies that came before Trek XI had flaws

 

[Bones2]

Yeah, some more than others, but it was all undeniably Star Trek. XI is very different from the others, and is ultimately style over very little substance, which I don't think you could fairly call any of the others. Budget over imagination.

 

[Gepard]

maybe people are afraid of change why can't they not accept it as part of the Trek family.

Or maybe people like their Trek cerebral with a message between the action. Or just don't like change for its own sake. Don't you read other posts before you say things?

Or we just think the movie is poorly written and are moritfied to be in the same category as the majority of the naysayers around here.

Gep, mehsayer.

 

[Voyagerian]

Well, it looks like it's blending with some degree of difficulty-but not overwhelmingly so, despite criticisms, to the point of ahem, very strongly disliking, here and there-as is everyone's right. I read some pretty harsh words about it after it came out at another site where I am a mem-but I defended it re my own taste-as I do here, and I have seen TOS more times than you can shake a painstick at...and Jim and co. will ever be a part of my fandom-they were my first heroes, but hardly the last. I will say, I had to ask myself, before I went to the cineplex,'Am I willing to accept this 'alternate trek' as the ST standardbearer in the cinema for the forseeable future? And I decided, yes. I didn't change my mind after seeing it-twice. It may have its flaws...but it still was an entertaining launch for a young 1701 crew.I think the 'deeper' stuff will come next-the fans, to quote Ensign Kim, 'Like a little meat and potatoes' along with dessert....but 'ST 'had some of that, too, to me.....

 

[startrekrcks]

yes the young crew made the film work did you think so

 

[Voyagerian]

Yes, I did. Granted, there are the critiques of a too-young Chekov, but I wasn't overly bothered by that. Even if the beginnings are different, it doesn't take away from the fact, that these are, at a basic level, the same people we fell for in our respective stages of fandom. I look forward to the DVD-and the next installment.

 

[startrekrcks]

what did you think of the performances

 

[seigezunt]

I think it's irrelevent whether it blends or not. Screen Trek was dead, and this was a fun homage and attempt to restart what has become hopelessly ossified with its own backstory. I continue to love the Old Trek, and I will be very curious to see where these kids go with it now, and not participate in some of the rampant snobbery going on here about a TV show.

 

[Voyagerian]

what did you think of the performances

My favorite would have to be Chris-bet ya like that!!Wink wink.He captured the cockiness-channeled into purpose, and refined by a trial-by-fire...the 'never give up' Jim we came to like so. Zach essayed the Vulcan cool well-that is, amidst his own conflict, and pain, at losing his world, and mother. His true best friend. I know something about that concept. I'd say Karl got Bones fine. Look forward to the young cantankerous loyal friend of Jim next outing....and the beginnings of the 'back-and-forth' with Spock. Did you know, he also played a younger version of the Tommy Lee Jones character in the 'Lonesome Dove' tv prequeljust a few years back? Zoe's Uhura was given a good showing, and a rare essential-to-the-plot Nichelle lacked before, bet she loved that.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Yeah, some more than others, but it was all undeniably Star Trek. XI is very different from the others, and is ultimately style over very little substance, which I don't think you could fairly call any of the others. Budget over imagination.

Just picture yourself in a few years, looking back. You'll still not like it, but do you think you still won't see it as Star Trek?

I'm only asking because every time something came out, people were saying "that's not real Trek". They either changed their opinions regarding their dislike for it or not, but most of us ended up accepting stuff as being part of Star Trek, in the end.

Is this film different because it's a reboot of the original crew, something unprecedented?

 

[Amaris]

Yeah, some more than others, but it was all undeniably Star Trek. XI is very different from the others, and is ultimately style over very little substance, which I don't think you could fairly call any of the others. Budget over imagination.

Did you catch my post with all the instances of physical comedy in them? As I said, there were more examples, but what I have should be enough to show you that physical comedy was a part of the original series.

As for Trek XI and being very different, you could say that Star Trek: The Motion Picture was different from the movies that would follow. Style, design, characterization, all different from what would follow. TMP was also different from The Original Series. Gone were the bright colors, "Russian Inwentions", and aforementioned physical comedy, and in it's place cooler neutral colors, white, sleek, futuristic, almost a 2001 quality to the film. The ship had been changed also, and I'm sure that, like you, people were up in arms about the design changes and the "nuTrek". This would again change in the movies after TMP. So TMP stands out, and whether you like it or not as a movie, displayed a very different stylistic change. This all happened before we were spoiled with a veritable buffet of Trek to choose from.

J.

 

[thumbtack]

it is a waste of energy, then, because it won't change a thing.

You mean posting on a message board won't make an 8 billion dollar company cancel its sequel to a blockbuster hit and make a Scott Bakula movie instead?


I think you're terribly naive.

 

[GhostFaceSaint]

Star Trek XI has the same heart as TOS, the same humanity, the same optimism, attitude, and willingness to poke fun at itself. Since the characters had character flaws its not quite the same as TNG but then again TNG hasn't aged well for me, the characters on that show were perfect people which is too unrealistic for me now, I prefer this Trek's approach to the main characters, they aren't perfect, they have flaws, which leads to better story telling with more compelling three dimensional characters that can grow and change. Doen't just look at these characters as they are right now think of the future, we have seen Kirk and Spock go through change, grow, and we will see them mature, which, by the way, I stated in a previous post doesn't just mean growing old, they will gain experience through the new films, and wisdom, indeed I believe they will become more familiar to us, more recognizable and we everyone will probably like the journey become more attached to the new cast and more comfortable with their characters. This is Star Trek, it will has and will blend quite well.

I look forward to this new journey through Trek!

 

[Disillusioned]

Sorry, but the swollen hands and tongue bit reminded me of Jar-Jar's run in with Anakin's pad racer. It was cheap, immature physical humor, and pointing to previous examples of it doesn't somehow make it good. I thought the time Archer did a face plant into T'pol's breasts was lame and I also thought that Kirk winding up with his hands on Uhura's breats was lame in exactly the same way. It might be amusing to people who are all like, "LOL, BOOBIES!" but it was just immature and contrived to me.

 

[startrekrcks]

That was a great scene very funy with Kirk having the injections ah stop it what did you think of the chemistry between the characters.

 

[Disillusioned]

Could you try adding punctuation or something? It's very difficult to understand exactly what it is you're saying.

 

[Amaris]

Sorry, but the swollen hands and tongue bit reminded me of Jar-Jar's run in with Anakin's pad racer. It was cheap, immature physical humor, and pointing to previous examples of it doesn't somehow make it good. I thought the time Archer did a face plant into T'pol's breasts was lame and I also thought that Kirk winding up with his hands on Uhura's breats was lame in exactly the same way. It might be amusing to people who are all like, "LOL, BOOBIES!" but it was just immature and contrived to me.

Either way, it is not without precedent in the series, which means it all comes down to personal taste, which is very subjective.


J.