How we deal with death

[LutherSloan]

I'm pretty sure that it is an unwritten rule in comics that you never kill anyone off permanently.

As far as Janeway goes, I think it's been made pretty clear on here that she isn't coming back, despite the potential at the end of Before Dishonor.

Speaking of deaths, I noticed that the Star Trek Online web-timeline is following the same path as the Star Trek Countdown comic series, with Data's personality reasserting itself through B-4.

Personally, I want him back 100x more than I do Janeway. He was just a far more interesting character, and I think the ST universe needs him back.

 

[Thrawn]

As far as Janeway goes, I think it's been made pretty clear on here that she isn't coming back, despite the potential at the end of Before Dishonor.

The author of Full Circle and Unworthy has explicitly stated several times that Janeway does not come back in either of those books, but that beyond that, and I quote, "anything is possible".

Let's stop misrepresenting the facts here.

 

[Trent Roman]

The real stunt "deaths" are the Defiant and Delta Flyer, blown up for effect, then brought back a couple of episodes later.

Good examples.

The author of Full Circle and Unworthy has explicitly stated several times that Janeway does not come back in either of those books, but that beyond that, and I quote, "anything is possible".
Let's stop misrepresenting the facts here.

No one is misrepresenting anything. It's been reported several times that the position of editorial on this is that (paraphrasing because I don't recall the exact quotes) Janeway is dead, dead, dead; that the intent going forward is that Janeway's death is to be permanent (as Before Dishonor was originally structured); and that there is no intention of bringing her back. Editorial has, if anything, gone out of its way to highlight this as the future direction for this branch of the novel line, compared to the more limited disclosure we usually receive on future plans.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[joyofvgr]

The real stunt "deaths" are the Defiant and Delta Flyer, blown up for effect, then brought back a couple of episodes later.

Good examples.

The author of Full Circle and Unworthy has explicitly stated several times that Janeway does not come back in either of those books, but that beyond that, and I quote, "anything is possible".
Let's stop misrepresenting the facts here.

No one is misrepresenting anything. It's been reported several times that the position of editorial on this is that (paraphrasing because I don't recall the exact quotes) Janeway is dead, dead, dead; that the intent going forward is that Janeway's death is to be permanent (as Before Dishonor was originally structured); and that there is no intention of bringing her back. Editorial has, if anything, gone out of its way to highlight this as the future direction for this branch of the novel line, compared to the more limited disclosure we usually receive on future plans.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Well, Kirsten Beyer stated that she was told to write Janeway as being "dead dead" in her upcoming books, but she stated that in the future anything is possible. I'm not sure who else might have commented on the future of Janeway.

 

[joyofvgr]

I would prefer the current situation, where none of us are sure about how past, current and future story arcs will end. Science fiction deaths, and comic book deaths, are reversible. Nothing new about that. And licensed tie-ins do need to return to a status quo at some time, otherwise they stop resembling the original product on which they were based.

I agree.

 

[Thrawn]

The real stunt "deaths" are the Defiant and Delta Flyer, blown up for effect, then brought back a couple of episodes later.

Good examples.

The author of Full Circle and Unworthy has explicitly stated several times that Janeway does not come back in either of those books, but that beyond that, and I quote, "anything is possible".
Let's stop misrepresenting the facts here.

No one is misrepresenting anything. It's been reported several times that the position of editorial on this is that (paraphrasing because I don't recall the exact quotes) Janeway is dead, dead, dead; that the intent going forward is that Janeway's death is to be permanent (as Before Dishonor was originally structured); and that there is no intention of bringing her back. Editorial has, if anything, gone out of its way to highlight this as the future direction for this branch of the novel line, compared to the more limited disclosure we usually receive on future plans.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

As far as I'm aware, all of those statements by Margaret Clark happened when "the future" was still Full Circle and Unworthy; I don't think any of those statements were made without a "for the forseeable future caveat", which makes them equivalent to what Kirsten stated.

 

[Christopher]

I'm pretty sure that it is an unwritten rule in comics that you never kill anyone off permanently.

It used to be said that nobody stayed dead in comics except Uncle Ben (Spider-Man's uncle) and Bucky Barnes (Captain America's sidekick), but I think they brought back Bucky a couple years back.

 

[Trent Roman]

And as far as I'm aware, there has been no indication of a shift in position since, which makes it equally applicable to proximate, middling and distant future until such a shift occurs.

EDIT:

It used to be said that nobody stayed dead in comics except Uncle Ben (Spider-Man's uncle) and Bucky Barnes (Captain America's sidekick), but I think they brought back Bucky a couple years back.

Bucky has indeed returned and become a major player, and Uncle Ben has also made appearances, although not the 'real' Uncle Ben. As far as I know, however, Batman's parents have yet to rise from their graves.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[Sci]

Gwen Stacy is still dead, right?

 

[Trent Roman]

Oy, so many clones you don't even want to know.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[shanejayell]

Bucky has indeed returned and become a major player, and Uncle Ben has also made appearances, although not the 'real' Uncle Ben. As far as I know, however, Batman's parents have yet to rise from their graves.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Read "The Black Glove" and "Batman RIP" yet?

 

[elaithin]

Hey, Bruce and Martha Wayne are still dead. As well as the real Gwen Stacy and Uncle Ben.

Of course, Bucky turned out to have a case of "never-was dead" - which is fair, as he never had an on-panel death to begin with.

And of course, there's always Jean Grey, who may or may not presently be an eight year old girl time-traveling with Cable centuries in the future. Or just might be in the White Hot Room. Who knows?

See? Star Trek deaths are really quite reasonable, by comparison.

 

[ClayinCA]

And of course, there's always Jean Grey, who may or may not presently be an eight year old girl time-traveling with Cable centuries in the future. Or just might be in the White Hot Room. Who knows?

Yeahbuhwhaaa?

Oy. This makes me glad I haven't read the X-Men books in quite some time....

 

[elaithin]

To be fair, if she is the child Cable's protecting, it actually plays pretty well into the way Morrison left her a few years ago.

 

[MargaretClark]

The real stunt "deaths" are the Defiant and Delta Flyer, blown up for effect, then brought back a couple of episodes later.

Good examples.

The author of Full Circle and Unworthy has explicitly stated several times that Janeway does not come back in either of those books, but that beyond that, and I quote, "anything is possible".
Let's stop misrepresenting the facts here.

No one is misrepresenting anything. It's been reported several times that the position of editorial on this is that (paraphrasing because I don't recall the exact quotes) Janeway is dead, dead, dead; that the intent going forward is that Janeway's death is to be permanent (as Before Dishonor was originally structured); and that there is no intention of bringing her back. Editorial has, if anything, gone out of its way to highlight this as the future direction for this branch of the novel line, compared to the more limited disclosure we usually receive on future plans.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

As far as I'm aware, all of those statements by Margaret Clark happened when "the future" was still Full Circle and Unworthy; I don't think any of those statements were made without a "for the forseeable future caveat", which makes them equivalent to what Kirsten stated.

Kathryn Janeway is in FULL CIRCLE, as the book spans several years while she was serving in Command.

Strange that everyone seems to "know" what I've said and what is planned...and I haven't posted a single comment. (except this one)

Ah...the Internet.

Margaret

 

[Thrawn]

As far as I'm aware, all of those statements by Margaret Clark happened when "the future" was still Full Circle and Unworthy; I don't think any of those statements were made without a "for the forseeable future caveat", which makes them equivalent to what Kirsten stated.

Kathryn Janeway is in FULL CIRCLE, as the book spans several years while she was serving in Command.

Strange that everyone seems to "know" what I've said and what is planned...and I haven't posted a single comment. (except this one)

Ah...the Internet.

Margaret

I was basing that on stuff that'd been posted about conversations with you at conventions; if I'm at all mistaken or misrepresenting you, please correct me. At the very least, I accurately quoted Kirsten from another thread; the last thing I want to do is be presumptive or spread misinformation.

 

[Jbarney]

I think the most recent trek lit (that which has been written over the last decade or so) has done a great job bringing death into its stories. We all react to death in different ways...but I think its really interesting to see some of the characters we've seen established on screen die in the comics and novels.

Some of the Klingon characters Krad killed off in his books had quite the affect on me as I read them. I read them not knowing Colonel Worf, Azetbur, and K'avada would die and was SHOCKED when they did.

I guess one of the more frustrating things for me is when one character does get killed off (like Gul Evek) by one novelist and then that death isn't followed through on by editors or other writers.

Just my opinion though,
Jason

 

[Rush Limborg]

Those who want a "dark show" or read similar books can watch the news or read some evening tabloid and enjoy how our pathetic political "leaders" and economists are doing their best to destroy what's left of this world

Amen....

BTW...wasn't Batman's dad THOMAS Wane?

 

[LutherSloan]

Not only is Bucky still alive, he is now Captain America.

 

[David R. George III]

Some of the Klingon characters Krad killed off in his books had quite the affect on me as I read them. I read them not knowing Colonel Worf, Azetbur, and K'avada would die and was SHOCKED when they did.

Not to put too fine a point on it, Jason, but Keith did not kill Azetbur, who died in Serpents Among the Ruins. I have to take credit for that.

For those of you keeping score at home.