How was USS Grissom destroyed so easily?

[Timo]

Then again, it would be utterly idiotic to not order shields in this situation.

Clearly so, and I see little reason to assume Esteban's crew didn't raise shields, or that Esteban didn't specifically command this when we weren't looking. Remember that apparently Kirk never raises shields in "Balance of Terror"!

Yet there are situations where our heroes delay raising shields because they hope against hope that they could recover a stranded landing party or away team. Such is the case here, too...

Kruge obviously had spies inside the Federation. Maybe they obtained the shield frequencies to the Oberth class?

Conversely, Kruge could have been utterly ignorant about the characteristics of the obscure and non-warriorlike Oberth class, and unaware that the science ship did not have shields of any sort and could not withstand a single half-power disruptor blast even in the best of cases.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Tomalak]

Conversely, Kruge could have been utterly ignorant about the characteristics of the obscure and non-warriorlike Oberth class, and unaware that the science ship did not have shields of any sort and could not withstand a single half-power disruptor blast even in the best of cases.

Timo Saloniemi

Kruge, or his gunner overpowering the weapons for such an unexpectedly weak ship.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Ever heard of the writing TV Trope "Word Of God [Writer]" (not literal god, since I am an atheist and believe in no deity/god)?
It says the intentions of the writer trump all. The intentions are the script.

In that case:

1) Captain Kirk's real name is Robert April.
2) Mr. Spock is a red-skinned Martian with a plate in his stomach that absorbs energy.
3) The Enterprise crew includes a drug dealer named Beckwith.
4) That creature on Tyree's planet is called a "Gumatu."
5) McCoy's daughter Joanna is a space hippie.
6) Dr. Crusher has a 15-year old daughter named Leslie.
7) Deanna Troi has four breasts.
8) Patrick Stewart never played Picard, since Gene Roddenberry didn't want him for the part.
9) Ro Laren is the first officer on Deep Space Nine.

 

[BillJ]

In that case:

Janeway's first name is Elizabeth!

 

[PhaserLightShow]

I know there's disagreement on this, but I still think it looks like Reliant's registry appears in the chart in Commodore Stone's office in "Court Martial"!

Wait - you're right? I checked!

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I wonder if the Grissom may have taken a hit or two during the cutaway to Saavik and the gang on Genesis. That "lucky shot" may have been the final hit, not the first, but still one that brought down a Federation starship easily.

I've always felt that the scene as shown didn't play out sequentially. That is, the communications to the surface ("We're under attack! Stand by for evasive!") happen AFTER (or at least simultaneously to) Kruge's order to fire.

Since the Klingons had the element of surprise coming out of cloak, why would they diddle around aiming their weapons after making themselves known? The most likely scenario is that the Klingons uncloak and fire immediately after Esteban sees them, and before any reasonable evasive can be taken.

 

[Longinus]

Wait - you're right? I checked!

Holy shit! I never realised this!

 

[PhaserLightShow]

Holy shit! I never realised this!

I'll give you the image and link. (Fifth ship down)

Image:

Link:
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...ision/latest?cb=20080310072415&path-prefix=en

 

[BillJ]

I'll give you the image and link. (Fifth ship down)

Image:

Link:
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...ision/latest?cb=20080310072415&path-prefix=en

Looking at HD screencaps on TrekCore, you really can't tell what that registry is...

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x20hd/courtmartialhd011.jpg

 

[cardinal biggles]

IIRC, the shot through the hull occurs after Scotty announces that the shields are collapsing (but haven't entirely collapsed?), but it has been awhile.

Looks like the shields were completely down by that point:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuchd/ch12/tuchd2294.jpg

 

[Avro Arrow]

Looking at HD screencaps on TrekCore, you really can't tell what that registry is...

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x20hd/courtmartialhd011.jpg

It's actually easier to read in the image PhaserLightShow linked to, but Wikia weirdness doesn't seem to let you link directly to the full size image. Try here, then click Full Resolution.

Again, I know there's no consensus (mainly due to the difficulty of differentiating 6s from 8s), but my read of the chart is:

1709
1831
1703
1672
1864
1?97 **
1701
1718
1685
1700

** This is the only one I waffle on... I go back and forth between 1897 and 1697.

 

[Longinus]

1864

Looking at it closely, it actually looks more like '1884' to me.

 

[Timo]

For all practical purposes, we could treat every 8, 6, 9, 5 and 2 as interchangeable, as they really are almost indistinguishable here and subject to interpretation. If it helps, we could decide to see 1224 there to support the idea that the low 1700 series was the hottest new thing at the time - or to see 1800 series where Jein and Okuda saw 1600 series, to support the idea that the hero ship was venerable at the time of the show. To argue otherwise would come perilously close to seeing the seams in Spock's ears...

What we do have to accept, though, is that every registry there begins with an 1. There are no three-digit registries in evidence. Don't such ships warrant star ship status? Have they all been retired? Do they exist two pages down on that chart?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[PhaserLightShow]

In that case:

1) Captain Kirk's real name is Robert April.
2) Mr. Spock is a red-skinned Martian with a plate in his stomach that absorbs energy.
3) The Enterprise crew includes a drug dealer named Beckwith.
4) That creature on Tyree's planet is called a "Gumatu."
5) McCoy's daughter Joanna is a space hippie.
6) Dr. Crusher has a 15-year old daughter named Leslie.
7) Deanna Troi has four breasts.
8) Patrick Stewart never played Picard, since Gene Roddenberry didn't want him for the part.
9) Ro Laren is the first officer on Deep Space Nine.

10)Saavik is half-Romulan
11)Reliant is Constitution Class

Yes! The lot of them.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

For all practical purposes, we could treat every 8, 6, 9, 5 and 2 as interchangeable, as they really are almost indistinguishable here and subject to interpretation. If it helps, we could decide to see 1224 there to support the idea that the low 1700 series was the hottest new thing at the time - or to see 1800 series where Jein and Okuda saw 1600 series, to support the idea that the hero ship was venerable at the time of the show. To argue otherwise would come perilously close to seeing the seams in Spock's ears...

What we do have to accept, though, is that every registry there begins with an 1. There are no three-digit registries in evidence. Don't such ships warrant star ship status? Have they all been retired? Do they exist two pages down on that chart?

Timo Saloniemi

Maybe none are being repaired at that starbase.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

Maybe none are being repaired at that starbase.

No 3-digit ships.

 

[SpaceLama]

@OP:

Maybe shields only partially block attacks depending on power - in fact we know this for certain.

So if the Klingon disruptor hit a critical system, like the warp core - there is your answer.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

It's actually easier to read in the image PhaserLightShow linked to, but Wikia weirdness doesn't seem to let you link directly to the full size image. Try here, then click Full Resolution.

Again, I know there's no consensus (mainly due to the difficulty of differentiating 6s from 8s), but my read of the chart is:

1709
1831
1703
1672
1864
1?97 **
1701
1718
1685
1700

** This is the only one I waffle on... I go back and forth between 1897 and 1697.

This is from the fan series Star Trek New Voyages/Star Trek Phase II but I believe (from "Enemy Starfleet") ** is 1697, which is the registry of the USS Eagle in that episode.

 

[BillJ]

10)Saavik is half-Romulan
11)Reliant is Constitution Class

Yes! The lot of them.

The Stargazer from "The Battle" was Constitution class. Apparently, that made it to film, but the audio was dubbed over.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

The Stargazer from "The Battle" was Constitution class. Apparently, that made it to film, but the audio was dubbed over.

13) The Enterprise is called "SS Yorktown"
14) Phasers are called Lasers

Yes!
More!