How was 7 of 9 introduced in 'Picard'?

[The Wormhole]

Someday I will understand the perspective of a newer show ruining my past experience. That I could watch something now that would undo my memories or a rewatch of something I have enjoyed. Thus far I have not experienced such a thing with the various franchises that have been supposedly "ruined" by additional installments.

Can't say I understand the concept or am likely ever to myself. I'm especially confused by the whole "they killed Maddox and that ruins The Measure of a Man." Umm, 'kay? The fact Maddox is killed in an episode made thirty years later has no bearing on The Measure of a Man at all. I mean, simply by being mortal we knew Maddox had to die some day anyway. But seeing it happen in an episode of another TV series thirty years later means the original episode is ruined?

 

[JesterFace]

But if you feel the need to keep asking questions about the show and what goes on in it, just watch the show so you can find out this stuff first hand.

I thought this was a message board to discuss Star Trek. Asking questions is a part of that.

Can't say I understand the concept or am likely ever to myself. I'm especially confused by the whole "they killed Maddox and that ruins The Measure of a Man." Umm, 'kay? The fact Maddox is killed in an episode made thirty years later has no bearing on The Measure of a Man at all. I mean, simply by being mortal we knew Maddox had to die some day anyway. But seeing it happen in an episode of another TV series thirty years later means the original episode is ruined?

We might be different in some ways. For me killing off Maddox would be a problem.
But ANYWAY, I will stay away from 'Picard' series.
That might change some day but not any time soon.
Now I'm also aware that it is not allowed for me to ask questions about 'Picard' series, understood.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Asking questions alone isn't an issue. It's the repeated cycle of behavior of continuing to ask questions while insisting that you won't watch the show. You can't blame people for starting to answer, "Just watch the show already!"

 

[Greg Cox]

Someday I will understand the perspective of a newer show ruining my past experience. That I could watch something now that would undo my memories or a rewatch of something I have enjoyed. Thus far I have not experienced such a thing with the various franchises that have been supposedly "ruined" by additional installments.

I confess I don't get that either. If disappointing or misguided sequels "ruined" the original for me, I'd never be able to watch half of my favorite movies again. JAWS remains a great movie, regardless of what happens in the sequels. See also PSYCHO, THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON, ALIEN, THE HOWLING, THE EXORCIST, SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE, BATMAN (1989), HORROR OF DRACULA, etc.. And, getting back OT, it's not as though I can never rewatch TOS again just because I know how Kirk and Spock eventually die in the movies.

Personally, I can rewatch "City on the Edge of Forever" or "Amok Time" over and over again without ever thinking of GENERATIONS.

 

[fireproof78]

Now I'm also aware that it is not allowed for me to ask questions about 'Picard' series, understood.

There's no need to take it personal. It's confusing to me that somehow a new show could ruin someone's view of a past show, as though it would diminished past love. Like, if that were the case, both TMP and TNG would destroy TOS for me. Utterly ruined.

But, ultimately, your questions are not helping you at all. It's feeding in negative opinions. Ask questions but ultimately I cannot tell you what you would like.

 

[Greg Cox]

Just a bit of practical advice: you only need to watch a sequel once. If you don't you like it, you don't have to ever watch it again. But, in theory, you can still enjoy the original because it's still just as good as it ever was.

And that applies to movies, books, comics, etc. And not just with regards to STAR TREK.

 

[fireproof78]

Just a bit of practical advice: you only need to watch a sequel once. If you don't you like it, you don't have to ever watch it again. But, in theory, you can still enjoy the original because it's still just as good as it ever was.

And that applies to movies, books, comics, etc. And not just with regards to STAR TREK.

Indeed, yes. That's how I treat the Matrix, Star Wars (some times), Chronicles of Narnia, and even more classic books like Dune. Some things just stand on their own, with no additional material needed.

 

[Greg Cox]

Indeed, yes. That's how I treat the Matrix, Star Wars (some times), Chronicles of Narnia, and even more classic books like Dune. Some things just stand on their own, with no additional material needed.

Which is not to say that some sequels and follow-ups aren't worthwhile. Where would this entire franchise be if we balked at TNG for fear that it might sully TOS? Or hesitated to bring back Ricardo Montalban's Khan because it might spoil our enjoyment of "Space Seed"? And I can think of plenty of series that I wish had managed a few more installments. (I'm still crushed that there isn't a third DR. PHIBES movie.)

But, yes, when it comes to our own personal enjoyment, we can just stick with the the movies or episodes we like and ignore the ones we don't like.

As a general principle, SPACE VIXENS VIII: STRAIGHT TO VIDEO does not invalidate the glory that is the original SPACE VIXENS.

 

[fireproof78]

Which is not to say that some sequels and follow-ups aren't worthwhile. Where would this entire franchise be if we balked at TNG for fear that it might sully TOS?

Indeed, yes. Not everything needs to be for me.

But, yes, when it comes to our own personal enjoyment, we can just stick with the the movies or episodes we like and ignore the ones we don't like.

This is my larger point. Watching it does nothing to diminish the last installment.

 

[Greg Cox]

Not out to pile on Jesterface, btw. I'm just addressing the general objection, which one often sees elsewhere, that somehow a bad sequel (or remake) "ruins" the original somehow.

As though the virtues of the original somehow evaporate . . . .

 

[fireproof78]

Not out to pile on Jesterface, btw. I'm just addressing the general objection, which one often sees elsewhere, that somehow a bad sequel (or remake) "ruins" the original somehow.

As though the virtues of the original somehow evaporate . . . .

Nor is it my intent either. I want @JesterFace to have their own agency and choice in the matter and we all have our own biases regarding the product.

But, yeah, I will always push back against the notion that a sequel damages the original. I simply find the concept completely foreign to me. I don't even have a good analogy, beyond the apparent fragility of a work that it cannot endure other installments.

 

[Hythlodeus]

I honestly don't get the point of Maddox and I feel like I'm missing crucial information. The Measure of a Man, as overrated as I personally might think it is, is a very good episode that stands on it's own. Almost all of the characters from that episode however went on to have further adventures and some of them even died. Data did, in NEM. Does Data's death in NEM affect that prior episode or is it just Maddox? And if so, why? If Picard falling in love with Vash on Risa has no influence on the viewing experience of The Measure of a Man, why does Bruce's further adventures, especially those some thirty years after that episode?

 

[fireproof78]

The Measure of a Man, as overrated as I personally might think it is, is a very good episode that stands on it's own. Almost all of the characters from that episode however went on to have further adventures and some of them even died.

This is the question for me. Otherewise, a lot of good Trek has been undone.

 

[Kor]

Maddox was just some random Starfleet upstart of the week in "The Measure of a Man," and the guy with the same name in PIC didn't even feel (or look) like the same character at all. So I don't see how his fate in PIC really has anything to do with anything.

Kor

 

[Greg Cox]

This is the question for me. Otherewise, a lot of good Trek has been undone.

Heck, TNG killed off Sarek. Doesn't hurt "Journey to Babel" or "Yesteryear" one bit.

 

[Tuskin38]

I thought this was a message board to discuss Star Trek. Asking questions is a part of that.


We might be different in some ways. For me killing off Maddox would be a problem.
But ANYWAY, I will stay away from 'Picard' series.
That might change some day but not any time soon.
Now I'm also aware that it is not allowed for me to ask questions about 'Picard' series, understood.

Does Sarek’s death in TNG ruin TOS for you?

 

[NCC-73515]

Lets assume someone who loves TNG wants to watch this new Picard series but hasn't watched 'Voyager'. (I have)
How was Annika introduced in 'Picard'? Many connections to 'Voyager'? Jean-Luc and Annika had both been part of the Borg collective earlier, was it discussed much? Were other Voyager crew members mentioned?

She saved the ship and lost hers, was beamed aboard, and revealed to be her (with VOY theme, IIRC).
The VOY theme also appears again later, and the ...interesting... Icheb cameo.
One of the best scenes in the show is Picard and Seven talking about how they've reclaimed their humanity after their separation from the hive mind - or haven't. But are working on it every day.
Only Icheb was mentioned, I think.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I like Star Trek. Should I watch The Next Generation?

 

[Swedish Borg]

I like Star Trek. Should I watch The Next Generation?

You still haven't?

 

[fireproof78]

I like Star Trek. Should I watch The Next Generation?

I wouldn't.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Are there many connections to TOS? Is Kirk discussed much?