Another thought: was TNG ruined when Gowron was killed on DS9? He was arguably a bigger part of TNG than Maddox was, having appeared in four TNG episodes, vs Maddox's one.
How was 7 of 9 introduced in 'Picard'?
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Eh...That really surprised me. Gowron's arc in DS9 was one of my view complaints about the series.
Q being on the show is interesting, we'll see what happens.
TNG wasn't ruined but I think DS9 made a mistake there and perhaps alienated TNG people? Gowron didn't feel like.... well, like Gowron in DS9. He might not have been the most honourable Klingon in TNG either but he wasn't an idiot. But that's a discussion for another board.
Yeah, I'm glad you will find it interesting. Q is hard pass for me.
Did it alienate you?
It didn't help....
Not completely alienate but I wasn't a huge fan of what was going on in DS9 at that point so it was just something more that has kept me away from DS9 for years.
Fans are fascinating creatures.
Almost appears like you're saying there's a fine line between fascinating and stupid. =)
Well, I definitely fall in to the latter category
No, I'm always fascinated by human behavior, and the lines that are drawn with regards to fandom. Like, it's OK for one character to die in one show, but another one it's totally OK. Or, where the line gets drawn as to the technobabble solutions in one show, but completely devastating to suspension of disbelief in another. It's a strange thing and I don't quite understand it.
Well, I definitely fall in to the latter category
No, I'm always fascinated by human behavior, and the lines that are drawn with regards to fandom. Like, it's OK for one character to die in one show, but another one it's totally OK. Or, where the line gets drawn as to the technobabble solutions in one show, but completely devastating to suspension of disbelief in another. It's a strange thing and I don't quite understand it.
Part of it is that everybody has their own icons -- and that everything is iconic to somebody.
I still remember encountering this (very pleasant) fellow for whom Superman was near and dear to his heart; it was clear just from talking to him that the Man of Steel meant a lot to him, that he saw Superman as an iconic, inspirational figure who was forever evergreen and relevant. But this same guy, in the same conversation, expressed disbelief that anybody actually liked or cared about Godzilla. From his POV, Superman was an enduring symbol of Truth, Justice, and the American Way, but Godzilla was just a dopey movie monster best left behind in the fifties.
I found this fascinating, especially since I could very easily imagine things going the other way. No doubt there are other fans who feel the exact opposite: that Godzilla is an enduring legend, but that Superman is just a corny comic-book character. And to be clear, neither of them would be "wrong."
The point being that sometimes it could be as simple as certain fans being more invested in certain characters or universes than others, and being willing to cut them more slack.
I try my best at that. I don't think it is wrong so much as just confusing. Similar to how people feel the desire to watch all Star Trek no matter what. Confusing. I try to be respectful with my confusion.
The song of the Star Trek writer:
Don't know much about history
Don't know much about biology
Don't know much about a science book
Don't know much about the French I took
...
Don't know much about geography
Don't know much about trigonometry
Don't know much about algebra
Don't know what a slide rule is for
....
Don't know much about history
Don't know much about biology
Don't know much about a science book
Don't know much about the French I took
...
Don't know much about geography
Don't know much about trigonometry
Don't know much about algebra
Don't know what a slide rule is for
....
I understand perfectly and respect that you hesitate to watch the show for your reasons.
But you already know the plot points and most of what happens in Season 1 and there is a chance that you like the show more than you expect to, and if not it could be that it doesn't make as big of an impact on you than you might think now.
My recommendation would be to think about the possibility that you might deny yourself something that you might like, regardless of your preknowledge that could have been colored by the opinion of others.
And if you really don't like it, you'll always have TOS and TNG. But there is a chance that you miss out on something that you could possibly enjoy if you don't watch it for yourself
But you already know the plot points and most of what happens in Season 1 and there is a chance that you like the show more than you expect to, and if not it could be that it doesn't make as big of an impact on you than you might think now.
My recommendation would be to think about the possibility that you might deny yourself something that you might like, regardless of your preknowledge that could have been colored by the opinion of others.
And if you really don't like it, you'll always have TOS and TNG. But there is a chance that you miss out on something that you could possibly enjoy if you don't watch it for yourself
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I think of myself as a TNG guy. That's what made me a fan, that was the first show I watched completely. After I ranked all episodes and compared averages per show, I was surprised to find PIC on top, ahead of TNG. In my ranking, 60% of TNG episodes are good, and 10% are bad. In PIC, 80% are good, and 10% are bad (so far).
Sturgeon's law lives!
In some cases quality beats quantity.
But he is ranking quality, at least in his opinion: "After I ranked all episodes and compared averages per show, I was surprised to find PIC on top, ahead of TNG."
At least he wasn't completely forgotten like Borg Baby
You can't truly appreciate quality until you've seen enough examples of its opposite.
I thought you were going to say "You can't truly appreciate quality until you've seen it in the original Klingon".
"good" and "bad" are not qualitative enough?
I've watched VOY, does that count?
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