News How Star Trek: Discovery Reinvented the Klingons.

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by PiotrB, Aug 7, 2019.

  1. ScottJ85

    ScottJ85 Commander Red Shirt

    Aug 1, 2016
    One thing I did like was the way they implied that the Klingon Empire was a big and diverse place, so much so that a few humans on the home world wouldn’t raise any suspicion in and of itself.
  2. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Aug 26, 2003
    ...And that Klingons were such top dogs that they could ransack Starfleet's innermost defenses and then back off because their strategic goal always was to leave a tag on the starbase wall. This whole "humans are beneath conquest" ethos, of declaring wars just because and then waging them as a form of parlor games for the bored, is a great step forward from the ENT portrayal of the species and culture - and obviously something that will be scaled back after Starfleet's big heroes (the ones not seen in DSC yet) tear the Klingons a new one and force them to actually fight for things like victory or survival.

    I'm not displeased with the TNG portrayal, either, then. That is what a well-whipped empire looks like.

    Timo Saloniemi
  3. valkyrie013

    valkyrie013 Commander Red Shirt

    Jun 15, 2009
    If the Klingons were a warrior race driven to conquor everything.. then Earth would have fought the Klingons instead of the Romulans in its first interstellar war.. and probably lost..

    So, in the series, TOS never really delved deep into Klingon society.. they were just generic bad guys, it was Tng that really fleshed out there society, with Ds9 going farther in.
    So we have 24(?) houses, and a High counsel with a representative for each house, and then High Chansouler to run them all...
    Now, No where do we get a good description of the Klingon Past, conditions of the planet etc. This information could have been fleshed out in Disco to better explain there culture.. what we got didn't really explain anything, except there xenophobic and nationalistic ( which was what they wanted for disco)
    So lets flesh it out abit.. alot of head cannon, just making it up on the fly,..

    Klingon society kind of developed similar to ours, but in there "Middle ages" time of kings, they didn't go to nation/states, they kept there medieval society in that there are 24 houses/ruling familes.. This went on for most of there recent history, so we have all the ideals of Knights, and honor, glory in battle etc, that never went away as it did here (kind of) they'd war against each other for land, glory, etc. until the advent of space travel ( which was never touched on how they got it.. did someone visit and they grabbed there ship ( ala Mirror universe Terrans) or do there first warp ship and someone show up to help, or all there own?) So lets say they got there all there own, the houses still fight among themselves, but seeing they need a united front for space, they get together and create the high counsel, and the chansouler .. They go out, conqueror nearby planets, conquer pre warp societies and use them as slaves/workers for mines, etc. and they expand out, and are militaristic and quick to battle.
    You see them in Enterprise, there together, high counsel, etc. but lets say, sometime after Enterprise, they delve in to some internal squabbling, and disband the counsel. Thats where you get the near 100 years of no contact before disco.. there doing there own internal stuff.. occasional house that pokes the federation etc. ( man that Post Enterprise time was quite peaceful.. no Romulans, no Klingons.. just the federation expansion.. huh)
    So now you have Disco time, you have the houses still squabbling with each other, no high counsel.. 100 years of waring with each other over land, planets, slaves etc. Enter Tkuvma that says.. lets turn our frustration against the Federation, and the houses go to war .. with each house trying to one up the other. then enter the bomb, and the re institution of the High counsel and the chansolur..
    Still alot of bad blood between the house, alot of wanting war and glory, and you have this going thought tos/movie era until Praxis bites the dust.. and there home world goes in to a Extinction level event.. so they have to accept help, and "Calm Down" and get past the event and rebuild there world. So then enters the Tng Klingons, who occasionally get wild, but are more calm..
    I liked that one of the "Future" series said that the Klingon evolve in to warrior monks, like the shoulin.. where they maintain there honor, and there warrior culture evolved into self defense and finding yourself.
    So in my short history here, theirs no "Genetic" reason, its just that they Always had war in there life, and thought it was honorable and glorious to die in battle, so they battle Everything!..
  4. eschaton

    eschaton Commodore Commodore

    Oct 2, 2017
    I dunno how you can watch an episode like DS9's Soldiers of the Empire and think that they portrayed Klingons as a monoculture. I mean you had:

    Worf - who is an uptight prig, and a bit "on the spectrum" as Klingons go.
    Martok - who was suffering from PTSD from his torture by the Dominion - afraid but not willing to publicly admit he was
    Leskit - who came across as cynical, kinda snotty, and angry they aren't directly confronting the enemy
    Kornan - who was depressed and deeply superstitious
    Tvana - who comes across as sensible and levelheaded
    Ortikan - who is an older Klingon loyal to Martok

    The latter two were admittedly not as well developed, but it says something that in a single episode of DS9 which focused upon the Klingons, they were easily able to flesh out the personalities of several different Klingons - some of which were never seen again - as more than the stereotyped noble warrior thing.
  5. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jul 24, 2011
    Oh I just remembered, the Klingons having 24 Great Houses also originated from 'The Final Reflection'.

    Memory-Alpha also had that fact listed erroneously since 2004, long before Discovery even aired. Though by the time anyone noticed, Discovery season 1 was about to air, so it wasn't removed from the page for very long.
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
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  6. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Admiral Admiral

    Apr 11, 2014
    I can cherry pick lots of episodes. DS9 had some more success than others but the it still felt very stereotyped. I like Martok and all but that doesn't mean there isn't monoculture at times.