You keep saying this, what exactly is 'fascist' about the Federation look in Discovery?
Poll How positive are you about Discovery now?
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This review embargo thing that has just come out that there can be no reviews until it airs is not filling me with confidence. 
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Review embargos are common. The Force Awakens was under one, so was Mad Max: Fury Road.This review embargo thing that has just come out that there can be no reviews until it airs is not filling me with confidence.
David Mack didn’t work on the show, he wrote the first tie in novel.
Yeah, the two are completely unrelated.
That doesn’t change the fact he doesn’t work on the showYeah, the two are completely unrelated.
You know what I meant.
Funnily enough, I'm waiting for something that doesn't scream Star Trek of old. It's pretty much all hanging on the story now. As it should, I suppose, but I was definitely expecting more of a clear departure from BermanTrek earlier on in the marketing process.
I'm thinking more along the lines of tone. There hasn't been that moment that has warmed my heart and made me think of all the great things I like about Star Trek.
Yeah, just not seeing anything of the heart of the old shows - including, BTW, the Abrams movies which capture a tremendous amount of what was right with Star Trek when its mandate was - to paraphrase Roddenberry - "reach out and maintain many millions of viewers."
Well, it's only advertising so far - right? Except you'd expect something in the advertising to at least hint at the show's real tone and content in a meaningful way, so it's not unreasonable to have opinions based on advertising as long as you're not married to them before you watch the thing.
You know, the moment at which I was most intrigued by this show was when Jones first mentioned that his character was a "prey species." Just sounded as if, handled smartly, there could be some novelty in that.
Well, it's only advertising so far - right? Except you'd expect something in the advertising to at least hint at the show's real tone and content in a meaningful way, so it's not unreasonable to have opinions based on advertising as long as you're not married to them before you watch the thing.
You know, the moment at which I was most intrigued by this show was when Jones first mentioned that his character was a "prey species." Just sounded as if, handled smartly, there could be some novelty in that.
Review embargoes are extremely common, but what's not common is that they're kept until AFTER the pilot airs. Embargoes are usually lifted a week to a few days before the game/movie/show becomes available. This is what's common. When you have something having the embargo in place until after it's released, well that's not common at all. That's usually a sign of something bad.
He did write the story for episode 8, in which someone else wrote the script. So in a way, he did work on the show. Never mind the fact that he's been in the loop since day once since he's writing the tie-in novel. He has a stake in how the show does.
Surprisingly unexcited about it. As Fuller left and more and more previews/news came out, I kind of mellowed out.
Maybe as we get to the last few days before the premiere I'll start to feel it, but with 9-10 days to go... meh. It feels a lot more Berman Trek than I originally expected.
Maybe as we get to the last few days before the premiere I'll start to feel it, but with 9-10 days to go... meh. It feels a lot more Berman Trek than I originally expected.
Any practical examples?
While the producers and cast have said this will be more gritty than other Star Trek, I don't think I have seen anyone say it will be grim. In fact, the latest interview with Isaacs discusses the amount of explosions and action in the show, and he says while Discovery does have it, that is not the focus of the show. The marketing hypes that part. These guys know what Trek on TV is and I believe they are going to deliver.
At no point has there been anything fascist or brutalistic in the art for the Federation in Discovery. That is totally unfounded.
You are right, I agree that the major marketing pieces, i.e., the trailers, have not focused on the real content. The smaller snippets from the 10-30 second clips do cover it; the pieces that just have dialogue from characters in quieter moments have almost universally focused on the more typical Star Trek elements of peace, exploration, understanding, communication, etc. Maybe they don't speak as loudly as the action-y trailers, but a lot of it is there is one is willing to look.
This is nice and all but I would expect praise from him even if DIS is the worst thing ever. He says it himself, he is biased.
There were embargos? Then how do you explain these sites:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_episode_vii_the_force_awakens/reviews/?page=19
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/mad_max_fury_road/reviews/?page=19
Tons of reviews on RT before the theatrical releases.
Mack's work is peripheral to Discovery TV and he is right, IO9/gizmodo is Clickbait.
