Well that's going to require 1000 hours of meditation to recover from or something.Even though it wasn't funny to others?
At least he got his own ship eventually.
Poll How positive are you about Discovery now?
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At least he got his own ship eventually.
The remastered version of "Future Imperfect" added a new dimension to why Riker was hesitant in accepting command. The neural scanners on Alpha Onias III were designed to give the user what they wanted. Along with a wife and children, Riker wanted the Titan. His service record had him assuming command of this ship and doing many great things for the Federation. So, Riker waited thirteen years for his chance to command the Titan. That must be one hell of a ship.
You missed my point. I wasn't trying to get you to watch the Sopranos. I was using the show as an example of a show that de-emphasized some of the expected elements common to it's genre in favor of placing interpersonal drama up front. As a result, the show turned out not just good, but great.
My point was that DSC or any other show or movie, is not necessarily doomed just because it chooses to go against the norm and, in this case, emphasize interpersonal drama between characters. But of course, the writing, directing, and acting have to be there.
Would that be considered canon now? I only ask because that's a totally different scenario than what we were given in the Titan book series. There, Titan is a brand new ship when Riker takes command, and one of the first ships in the new Luna class.
Officially, the movies and tv episodes are canon, and the remastered episodes became the new canon. Unofficially, that is up to you, JD.
After seeing many movies this year, where they had a solid beginning and middle and slipped on a banana in the ending, thought I would like to believe that the people behind Discovery can succeed in fashioning a solid third act, I have my concerns about the season-long arc concluding triumphantly. One other show which I have watched, Doctor Who, has a mixed record with this. If they succeed, I would be so happy for them.
One other thing - if I learned that Discovery delves deep into the conspiracy fetish which has absorbed and led many a show astray, I will not even consider becoming a supporter of this show at some point in the future.
One other thing - if I learned that Discovery delves deep into the conspiracy fetish which has absorbed and led many a show astray, I will not even consider becoming a supporter of this show at some point in the future.
I watched that video and all I heard was a "bunch of uninformed, meandering, waffle". I am glad others have pointed out how ridiculous it was.
This made me laugh.
As for me, I am very optimistic. Not everything so far is my preferred choices, but I think it all looks great anyway.
That's really weird. I didn't think this was Star Trek
Wait...there's a joke in there somewhere....
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This. I really do wish that they'd move on from this era and conquer new territory. But I'm willing to give it a shot.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Especially if it is supposed to be part of the Prime timeline. Essentially, the Klingons will start as the bad guys, and will need to end as the bad guys to lineup with TOS. They really can't do anything Earth-shattering with Sarek or Mudd. Not sure that Burnham's connection to Sarek and Spock will be anything more than superficial from a canon standpoint.
Pretty much this will play out much like the novels do, with all the toys needed to be put back in the box in the same state they were when they were taken out.
Pretty much this will play out much like the novels do, with all the toys needed to be put back in the box in the same state they were when they were taken out.
I don't think this is correct at all. They can't kill Sarek or Mudd, that is true. They can't make all Klingons into our best friends and allies, but they have a lot more room to play than that. The entirety of what we know about Sarek comes from one episode of TOS, one of TNG, and a few lines in the movies. Spock didn't talk of his family at all outside of those (and the final reference in Unification), so we know very little about what Sarek had done or was like. I think DSC has a lot of room here. For example, in Journey To Babel, Spock found it not unreasonable that his father could have murdered someone. That is quite a thing for a Federation ambassador to be capable of, and to be thought so by his own son.
Additionally, the thing about Burhnam's relationship with Sarek that I am most looking forward to is to see what it can tell us about Sarek and Spock. What is Sarek like that he doesn't Speak to his son for ~18 years because he joined Starfleet, but he mentors a human as far as attending the Vulcan Science Academy (VSA) and then encourages her participate in Starfleet? Is his subconsciously trying to make-up for the falling-out with Spock, or is he trying to one-up Spock by raising a full-human through the VSA and into Starfleet. Just what is the deal there? No way DSC chooses Sarek as the father/mentor figure for Burnham without some kind of exploration of it.
As for Mudd, while his portrayal in "I, Mudd" was more cartoonish, in "Mudd's Women" he was darker, harsher, and more villainous. Also, just because Kirk and Spock had to look him up in the computer (which shows only his recorded crimes) doesn't mean that his actions weren't significant - just that Kirk and Spock weren't aware of them.
Yeah, Sarek and Mudd won't be able to shatter known-to-survive-till-TOS planets (ala Vulcan in ST09), but I am sure Sarek could organize a set of interstellar accords (ala Khitomer), or start or end a conflict with an alien race, etc., etc., and who knows what Mudd could get up to.
The Klingons were more portrayed as adversaries, not outright 'evil' enemies <--- That was from propaganda put forth by BOTH the Fed and Klingon Governments over the years.
In "Errand of Mercy:, this exchange:
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Shows that neither the Federation or Klingons see themselves or their goals as 'evil' - it IS a clash of different cultures and different viewpoints.
As for propaganda, from "Day of the Dove":
My ooint is: Even if they end the story and have the Feds/Klingons part on 'friendlier' terms after the conflict- overall they (the writers) have to go out quite of their way to show the incident changed the underlying distrust that both sides have of each other. As long as the writers don't go overboard in that regard - canon is 'safe'
Yes, I'm kind of curious of what she thinks of the premise, too. Always loved her input to the franchise.
I want to be hyped for Discovery, but I'm just not. Everything I've seen from it doesn't look bad, but doesn't inspire excitement either. Honestly, I'd be more stoked for a 4th Kelvin timeline film, and after ST09, and STID, I never thought that would be the case.
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See folks - the classic 'Hardcore Trek Fan' trend continues as it has since 1979 - when the 'latest/new' Star Trek incarnation comes out - they start saying they'd enjoy even the most recent Star Trek incarnation that they didn't really like; more than the 'new' incarnation they haven't actually seen - or just seen bits of.
As someone who watched Star Trek first run on NBC (Third Season, I was 6); it's nice to know that even after more than a generation, Star Trek fandom HASN'T changed.
Sort of true, but I took @PixelMagic's comment to mean that Beyond was good enough to generate excitement about a fourth film.^^^
See folks - the classic 'Hardcore Trek Fan' trend continues as it has since 1979 - when the 'latest/new' Star Trek incarnation comes out - they start saying they'd enjoy even the most recent Star Trek incarnation that they didn't really like; more than the 'new' incarnation they haven't actually seen - or just seen bits of.
As someone who watched Star Trek first run on NBC (Third Season, I was 6); it's nice to know that even after more than a generation, Star Trek fandom HASN'T changed.
