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[Noname Given]

Riker didn't even consider getting promoted without asking Picard first.

Hell, Riker PASSED UP HIS OWN COMMAND (The U.S.S. Drake) [mentioned in TNG's "The Arsenal of Freedom"] to become Picard's first officer - and then passed up TWO MORE during the series run. (Hell, it's probably 3 as I'm sure there was an ofscreen pass once "the Fleet was back up" a year after the events in TNG's "Best of Both Worlds".

 

[Tesophius]

I think it's because Riker somehow knew that he wouldn't be getting nearly as much on screen time as a captain of how own but lesser known vessel

... Is it...possible....that he knew... he was on television?!

 

[cultcross]

When you're trying to do 7 years and 4 movies with the exact same cast you're stuck with the suspension of disbelief that they never transfer, change jobs or want to do anything else. TOS pretty much ignored this until Sulu got the Excelsior because the plot needed a second ship, everyone just got unlikely promotions in the same role, and TNG tried to reference it with the Riker-turns-down-his-own-ship thing. They just did it once too often and it got silly. The BOBW one was the best one to do, because he never explicitly says no, and the ship he's meant to have is blown up. By episode end, Starfleet is down a whole bunch of ships and so probably doesn't need new captains right that second. It made some sense. But to have him willingly turn down command on two other occasions at least just made him look like, well, a ficitonal character filling a role in a TV cast.

 

[fireproof78]

When you're trying to do 7 years and 4 movies with the exact same cast you're stuck with the suspension of disbelief that they never transfer, change jobs or want to do anything else. TOS pretty much ignored this until Sulu got the Excelsior because the plot needed a second ship, everyone just got unlikely promotions in the same role, and TNG tried to reference it with the Riker-turns-down-his-own-ship thing. They just did it once too often and it got silly. The BOBW one was the best one to do, because he never explicitly says no, and the ship he's meant to have is blown up. By episode end, Starfleet is down a whole bunch of ships and so probably doesn't need new captains right that second. It made some sense. But to have him willingly turn down command on two other occasions at least just made him look like, well, a ficitonal character filling a role in a TV cast.

TOS at least presented ideas like characters moving on, with Chekov on the Reliant, Kirk being promoted, and Spock leaving. Obviously, the status quo was restored more often than not, but I though they did better than TNG did.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

TOS at least presented ideas like characters moving on, with Chekov on the Reliant, Kirk being promoted, and Spock leaving. Obviously, the status quo was restored more often than not, but I though they did better than TNG did.

In some cases, it had some reasoning behind it, like the cut lines from TWOK, where Sulu says he turned down Excelsior so he could help instruct the Cadets on Enterprise. Chekov coming back was due to the incident on Regula I, etc.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

In some cases, it had some reasoning behind it, like the cut lines from TWOK, where Sulu says he turned down Excelsior so he could help instruct the Cadets on Enterprise. Chekov coming back was due to the incident on Regula I, etc.

Yeah and in TMP, Kirk getting the band back together was a major characterization and plot point. In TSFS, the bridge crew go rogue to save their friend and TVH was just a continuation of that.

 

[Tesophius]

Doug Jones: “The Klingons in our storyline are the bad guy. They are the ones that can’t be reasoned with and they are trying to take over the universe for their own altruistic reasons that they think are right."

what an exciting premise...not!

 

[ancient]

I'm not sure what your point is here. Maybe you should take some time to figure that out before posting any further.

Just pointing out humor. You can laugh too and move on.

Or endlessly try to deconstruct my post, I mean that works too.

 

[ancient]

Doug Jones: “The Klingons in our storyline are the bad guy. They are the ones that can’t be reasoned with and they are trying to take over the universe for their own altruistic reasons that they think are right."

what an exciting premise...not!

Wow the bad guys think they're the good guys??????

~Mind Blown~

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Hell, Riker PASSED UP HIS OWN COMMAND (The U.S.S. Drake) [mentioned in TNG's "The Arsenal of Freedom"] to become Picard's first officer - and then passed up TWO MORE during the series run.

Yeah, but considering both the USS Drake and the USS Melbourne were blown up soon after he was offered command of each, Riker starts looking like he had a bit of Lt. Saru's species in his ancestry and can detect the coming of death.

 

[kirk55555]

I know it's kind of your thing to prematurely and hyperbolically declare everything and everyone you don't like to be "the worst ever!", and the writers, directors, stars, and producers of ST: Discovery of course understand that they are open to being critiqued (sometimes harshly), but there's a difference between constructive criticism and insults.

Disagreeing with writer Kirsten Beyer's on-set directives to an actor is entirely your prerogative, but calling her a "nutjob" is completely out of line and adds nothing to the conversation. You don't know the motive or context for her decision in the moment or how it relates to the episode, show, or the character, so you're jumping to conclusions and being incredibly rude by insulting her like that. You can say it's wrong or a bad idea based on your limited perspective of the situation, but you can't say she's a nutjob.

Also, you should be mindful that Kirsten Beyer is a current member of TrekBBS, which I think you probably were aware of since you've visited the TrekLit forum (albeit rarely and not in a while) during the time she's been occasionally posting there, and it's been mentioned that she's a member here several times in the thread discussing this situation, so insults of that nature can result in an infraction in the future.

You are completely right. That was too far, and I apologize for that particular comment. I had no idea Beyer was even aware of the forum, much less posted on it, although regardless I agree my comment was wrong. I may really, really dislike her work and disagree with her directives completely, but that doesn't mean I was right to say that. Go after the work but avoid the person is the correct way of doing things, but I got pissed and said something I shouldn't.

I don't take back any of my criticism of her work or directives, but once again I do apologize for the "nutjob" comment. It was uncalled for, and I'm legitimately sorry.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Thank you.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

Well that deescalated quickly.

 

[fireproof78]

Just pointing out humor. You can laugh too and move on.

Or endlessly try to deconstruct my post, I mean that works too.

Even though it wasn't funny to others?

Well that deescalated quickly.

I know, right? I was as surprised as you were.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

I know, right? I was as surprised as you were.

One of the reasons I like this board. Most people here are actually pretty cool. Rare for the internet.

 

[fireproof78]

One of the reasons I like this board. Most people here are actually pretty cool. Rare for the internet.

Shhh...you'll spook it.

 

[BillJ]

Doug Jones: “The Klingons in our storyline are the bad guy. They are the ones that can’t be reasoned with and they are trying to take over the universe for their own altruistic reasons that they think are right."

what an exciting premise...not!

I hope they aren't that one note. I'd be disappointed.

 

[Vger23]

When you're trying to do 7 years and 4 movies with the exact same cast you're stuck with the suspension of disbelief that they never transfer, change jobs or want to do anything else. TOS pretty much ignored this until Sulu got the Excelsior because the plot needed a second ship, everyone just got unlikely promotions in the same role, and TNG tried to reference it with the Riker-turns-down-his-own-ship thing. They just did it once too often and it got silly. The BOBW one was the best one to do, because he never explicitly says no, and the ship he's meant to have is blown up. By episode end, Starfleet is down a whole bunch of ships and so probably doesn't need new captains right that second. It made some sense. But to have him willingly turn down command on two other occasions at least just made him look like, well, a ficitonal character filling a role in a TV cast.

In fairness to TNG, though...they did have SOME in's and outs.

1. Crusher-Pulaski-Crusher
2. Wesley leaving (twice actually haha)
3. Yar was killed off and Worf became Security Chief
4. Geordi went from Conn to Engineering
5. Ensign Ro was added as a semi-regular

So...there was a little growth and movement. Most of it was within the same cast, admittedly.

I totally agree that they painted themselves into a corner with the early idea that RIker was an ambitious officer, though. It wasn't handled really realistically at all.

 

[Mudd]

Doug Jones: “The Klingons in our storyline are the bad guy. They are the ones that can’t be reasoned with and they are trying to take over the universe for their own altruistic reasons that they think are right."

what an exciting premise...not!

Damn, sounds like Star Trek.

 

[Paradise City]

Riker turning down his own command only got silly after Generations. I found the dialogue that Riker has 'settled' on the ship to be plausible and there's repercussions for this comfort and familiarity when he's so badly thrown by Jellico. So they made plausible use in retaining Frakes/Riker over the run. And a bridge crew might very well stay the same over the course of a 5-7 years, particularly if they bring home the bacon.

But when the Enterprise D was lost by a dodgy old BoP, they let a emotionally highly unstable android stay on duty as second officer and a populated planet almost got destroyed on their watch, that's the time you split that team up.