How old is the Enterprise in STXI?

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The above question is largely dependent on whether or not Team Abrams has paid any attention to the speculative material in the Okudas' Star Trek Chronology or not. Based on Roddenberry's original thoughts about the Enterprise and Spock's comments in 'The Menagerie', the Okudas worked out the following timeline:

2245 - The Enterprise is launched under the command of Captain Robert April.

2250 - The end of the first 5YM. The ship undergoes its first refit.

2251 - Christopher Pike becomes captain of the Enterprise and embarks on a 5YM.

2256 - Pike's first 5YM comes to and end and the ship undergoes its second refit.

2257 - Second 5YM under Pike.

2261 - End of the second 5YM and the Enterprise undergoes a MAJOR refit.

2263 - Pike is promoted to Fleet Captain and James Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise.


Since there are indications that certain aspects of canon may be altered, I'm wondering if the above, which really isn't canon (save for the fact that Pike was captain at least 13 years prior to the events of 'The Menagerie') is going to be tossed out in favor of the Enterprise being a totally new ship when Pike assumed command. So new in fact, that perhaps it hasn't really needed a refit at the time of the movie and when Kirk comes aboard.

And that's the part I'm wondering about: According to the Okudas' book, Kirk graduated from Starfleet Academy in 2254 and became captain nine years later. So does the movie show us Kirk in these two timeframes, or does he became a captain almost right out of the Academy? This doesn't seem likely, but it depends on how much liberty Orci and Kurtzman decided to take with Kirk's background.

 

[Gojira]

I don't think any of us knows until we see the movie.

 

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Most likely true, but given the speculative nature of this board, I figured this question would generate a few thoughts.

 

[Gojira]

I think it is hard to tell. We saw them constructing the Enterprise in the teaser trailer but that doesn't mean that the footage we saw in that trailer will be in the movie. Generally teaser trailers stand alone and are specially made and the stuff seen in them is not in the movie.

So it is possible that the Enterprise is already built and has been up and running in the movie.

 

[Sector 7]

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Most likely true, but given the speculative nature of this board, I figured this question would generate a few thoughts.

...and just what gives u the right to assume we think on here?
I try to stay away from speculation, because eventually the Haters Club will come in and ruin it. I've never learned all the dates, etc. so I'm not much help. I'll still drop in to read posts though.

 

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I remember reading somewhere that Abrams was considering using the teaser footage in the film, but he hadn't made a firm decision. My guess is that he won't, then again, that could be what we see as the movie opens and the credits are running over it.

I'm actually less concerned with whether they acknowledge Captain April and the 2245 launch than I am with the nine year interval in Kirk's career, between cadet and captain. I really, really hope that they just don't have him skip over the other ranks just to park his ass in the center seat.

Not to mention the fact that it IS canon that Kirk served as a junior officer on at least one other starship, the Farragut.

 

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^

Most likely true, but given the speculative nature of this board, I figured this question would generate a few thoughts.

...and just what gives u the right to assume we think on here?

Wait a minute... You mean we don't?





Okay, if we don't think, let's at least try for a few more good laughs then. That is one of the things that keeps me coming back to certain threads.

 

[I am not Spock]

I hope they keep the stuff about the Republic and the Farragut in Kirk's backstory. April I don't so much mind. He's never been confirmed as canon, so it's not a big deal if they say Pike was the first NCC 1701 captain.

 

[Red Ranger]

I hope they keep the stuff about the Republic and the Farragut in Kirk's backstory. April I don't so much mind. He's never been confirmed as canon, so it's not a big deal if they say Pike was the first NCC 1701 captain.

Maybe we'll have a throwaway line, adhering to the old ST cliche that our heroes know all the other starship captains, and Pike will say, "I knew your old c.o., Captain Garrovick. A good man." But, nah, that won't happen! -- RR

 

[Timo]

I don't think there's any way the movie could establish that April was not the first skipper of the Enterprise.

I mean, we aren't likely to see the original launch of the vessel, despite the teaser material.

We aren't likely to get a piece of discussion where the previous captains of the ship are listed in full.

We aren't likely to see any hand-over ceremonies other than a possible Pike/Kirk one.

At the very worst, somebody might let slip something on the lines of Pike being the first to command this ship. But that somebody is unlikely to go to detail there, so there's always room for saying that April was still the first CO for all of two weeks or so, and that the somebody forgets or ignores this minor contribution. TAS canon would still be perfectly preserved, as TAS makes no statements as to how long April served in command of the ship.

(Sure, his wife appears to have served there for relatively long, having had to trailblaze all sorts of new techniques and all. But nothing dictates that she would have done all of that under the command of her husband. Or future husband, or whatever. And nothing dictates that Sarah would still have to be on board when the camera of STXI reaches the vessel.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

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I hope they keep the stuff about the Republic and the Farragut in Kirk's backstory. April I don't so much mind. He's never been confirmed as canon, so it's not a big deal if they say Pike was the first NCC 1701 captain.

Maybe we'll have a throwaway line, adhering to the old ST cliche that our heroes know all the other starship captains, and Pike will say, "I knew your old c.o., Captain Garrovick. A good man." But, nah, that won't happen! -- RR

That would be a nice touch.

 

[ST-One]

2245 - The Enterprise is launched under the command of Captain Robert April.

Who?

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Even if someone dropped a remark about Pike being the first captain of the Enterprise, honestly, people don't always have a clue and might say something that they think is right, but isn't. We always assume that everyone knows has their facts straight, when in real life people will claim to know stuff they don't really know.

So it depends on who says it.... I don't take everything said on screen as being THE TRUTH. Makes it easier to accept continuity errors.

 

[Guartho]

Good point... Like the Admiral in DS9 referring to the Eugenics wars as being "300 years ago" instead of 400. I find it incredibly unlikely that anyone in that scene would've interrupted him and said "Woah there Admiral, you need to brush up on your history!"

 

[ST-One]

Good point... Like the Admiral in DS9 referring to the Eugenics wars as being "300 years ago" instead of 400. I find it incredibly unlikely that anyone in that scene would've interrupted him and said "Woah there Admiral, you need to brush up on your history!"

Well, Khan did get it wrong too

The German dub helps there though... In the intro it says '...we write the year 2200...' - that makes Khan's statement in TWoK true http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HYNdJDBneY

 

[CommanderRaytas]

That's true, I love the German version.

But generally it's a fact that people will state things that aren't entirely accurate as being, well, facts, and we should keep that in mind- I know that in a tv-show it's just a continuity error, but I try explaining those that way. It usually helps.

 

[ST-One]

That's true, I love the German version.

But generally it's a fact that people will state things that aren't entirely accurate as being, well, facts, and we should keep that in mind- I know that in a tv-show it's just a continuity error, but I try explaining those that way. It usually helps.

I agree with you.

Just wanted to be funny... must have failed... I'll go to that corner over there to weep

 

[ST-One]

 

[CommanderRaytas]

You are, I was reading one of your posts today and started laughing in my office. That was awkward.... *grins*

But don't listen to me, I'm alone in this god-forsaken village in the middle of nowhere.... and I'm drunk!


"Der Weltraum, unendliche Weiten, wir schreiben das Jahr 2200...." or something to that effect. uuu-uuuuuuuuuuuu-uuuuuuu

 

[mic of orion]

The above question is largely dependent on whether or not Team Abrams has paid any attention to the speculative material in the Okudas' Star Trek Chronology or not. Based on Roddenberry's original thoughts about the Enterprise and Spock's comments in 'The Menagerie', the Okudas worked out the following timeline:

2245 - The Enterprise is launched under the command of Captain Robert April.

2250 - The end of the first 5YM. The ship undergoes its first refit.

2251 - Christopher Pike becomes captain of the Enterprise and embarks on a 5YM.

2256 - Pike's first 5YM comes to and end and the ship undergoes its second refit.

2257 - Second 5YM under Pike.

2261 - End of the second 5YM and the Enterprise undergoes a MAJOR refit.

2263 - Pike is promoted to Fleet Captain and James Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise.


Since there are indications that certain aspects of canon may be altered, I'm wondering if the above, which really isn't canon (save for the fact that Pike was captain at least 13 years prior to the events of 'The Menagerie') is going to be tossed out in favor of the Enterprise being a totally new ship when Pike assumed command. So new in fact, that perhaps it hasn't really needed a refit at the time of the movie and when Kirk comes aboard.

And that's the part I'm wondering about: According to the Okudas' book, Kirk graduated from Starfleet Academy in 2254 and became captain nine years later. So does the movie show us Kirk in these two timeframes, or does he became a captain almost right out of the Academy? This doesn't seem likely, but it depends on how much liberty Orci and Kurtzman decided to take with Kirk's background.

U know, after reading this, I am not sure, well if you seen trailer, they seem to be building (constructing) new enterprise...I hope there is a good explanation to all that, I know JJ would like to stick to the cannon as much he can....