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How much will Spock Prime tell Starfleet?

Nimoy did say he enjoyed working on the first film; but he also said recently he did not expect or want to be in the sequel.

Edit: I think this is the interview, from trekmovie.com:

- Doesn’t "expect to get the call" to appear in Star Trek sequel and feels he has already "served the purpose…to help make the bridge between the original and the new"

- However, Nimoy notes "obviously if they want to talk to me, I am happy to talk to them, but I don’t think they are going to need me"
 
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Old Spock has a philosophical streak that simply goes beyond logic.

I suspect he would take a leap of faith and not simply reveal everything he's seen.

In Star Trek VI, he told Valeris that she should have faith that the universe will unfold as it should.

He also realizes that he is in an Alternate Reality, so his knowledge of future events may not necessarily always apply.

I don't think, in light of the Alternate Reality, the Temporal Prime Directive would be an issue, since for him, the future is still unknown, even with the clues from the Prime reality future.

This.

What we forget is Spock Prime is not above taking a leap of faith. I think he has all the confidence in the galaxy in his younger self, Kirk, and the rest of the Federation to handle whatever they face. They don't need him to be a god-like seer or some oracle.

The future has been severely altered. It goes beyond how the lives of our heroes changed. Nero destroyed 47 Klingon vessels and a bunch of Federation vessels, not to mention the residual effects of destroying the Kelvin. Too many variables have been altered to even think that advance knowledge of a Doomsday Machine or V'Ger (just for example) is useful information.

What I sincerely do believe is that Spock Prime may "cheat" a bit and introduce a few technological innovations a little more quickly than they would've happened otherwise. Nothing too radical. Just dribs and drabs at convenient moments to solve some problem just a little bit quicker. Especially if it will help in the colonization and repopulation of Vulcans. I would think he'd believe his people at least deserve that.
 
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I don't think he should say anything and that he should spend the remainder of his days helping to rebuild the new Vulcan colony. Though... I probably enjoy the mass hysteria that might ensue if he did spill the beans.
 
(The scene: Starfleet Headquarters. SPOCK PRIME sits before the desk of ADMIRAL HEIHACHIRO NOGURA or whomever. On the desk itself is a GIGANTIC PILE OF DATAPADS, because Starfleet doesn't use email.)

SPOCK (indicating the pile): ...and so, Admiral, I believe Starfleet can save billions of lives over the next thirteen decades, should even a fraction of the information I've provided remain accurate.

NOGURA: Er. While I appreciate this, sir, you do realize it violates the Temporal Prime Directive?

SPOCK (raises eyebrow): Indeed? I thought it hadn't been created yet. Well, then, I suppose I shall have to resign my commission. (Does the Spock half-grin. THE END.)
 
(The scene: Starfleet Headquarters. SPOCK PRIME sits before the desk of ADMIRAL HEIHACHIRO NOGURA or whomever. On the desk itself is a GIGANTIC PILE OF DATAPADS, because Starfleet doesn't use email.)

SPOCK (indicating the pile): ...and so, Admiral, I believe Starfleet can save billions of lives over the next thirteen decades, should even a fraction of the information I've provided remain accurate.

NOGURA: Er. While I appreciate this, sir, you do realize it violates the Temporal Prime Directive?

SPOCK (raises eyebrow): Indeed? I thought it hadn't been created yet. Well, then, I suppose I shall have to resign my commission. (Does the Spock half-grin. THE END.)

To that I would add, 'Try not to piss off a member of a race called the Q-let one of their members tag along on Starfleet missions if they want to-otherwise they'll get mad and have us meet the Borg earlier than we should.'

Also, 'A race called the El-Aurians will need our help from being assimilated by the same Borg around this time in the future-help them, they have vast knowledge of time and space, and they will be an asset to the Federation.'

As well, 'Watch the Cardassians very closely-they will almost certainly be up to something.'
 
Wouldn't the Time Police of this Universe believe that Spocks appearance within it was destined to occur therefore whatever information he shares would become part of this Universes natural history?

That they would not see it as tampering is how I see it.

EDIT: the last part of my first paragraph doesn't sound like I meant it to... I mean, it seems to me, the DTI would be all over Spock for info because his info would not keep history from occurring as it should, (NERO did that.) Information Spock has would not make it any worse, it could make things better. The future in this Universe hasn't happened yet so, it seems, using information to make it better would not be dis-allowed in these circumstances.
 
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I personally do not think that he will say very much, it doesn't seem to be in his nature beyond what he did in the movie, because he saw the danger of Kirk and Spock not forming that special bond of friendship. Other then that, something just tells me he wouldn't do it, although maybe he'd warn about a Starship named Intrepid with a Vulcan crew wondering around in deep space...
 
Personally I don'y want Nimoy in the next movie, no offense to him but we've set up the new timeline now and want them to get on with it not stand around with Nimoy and Shatner keep popping in to appease the rabid fanboys/girls.

As to how and where Spock will live perhaps he will go by the name of Salek? and simply call himself Spocks cousin?

I also don't think he will reveal too much about the future, I would hate for Pine and Quinto to start using him like gamefaq's everytime they get stuck on a mission. I would hope we get at best a throaway line about how he's doing and then simply movie on, just cos we've left the door open for him doesn't mean he's going to be coming through it anytime soon.
 
I also don't think he will reveal too much about the future, I would hate for Pine and Quinto to start using him like gamefaq's everytime they get stuck on a mission.

I would hope for Spock's behind-the-scenes information to "clear the boards" so that the old stories never happen, and new, unrelated stories happen instead. I'm very, very much against rehashing any old stories whatsoever in the new timeline.
 
Would any of this stuff still exist for Spock to tell? Other aliens such as the Borg or the Dominion would still be there. But I can not see that the see events would happen, this after all is a different timeline with a different history . An example of the ST:TMP we have Spock going for true Vulcan initiation (can't spell it Kolinar?:vulcan:), now that Vulcan has gone so if Vger comes into play how will be played out?

I think that we would be looking at a whole lot of different adventures or at the least different variations, which would be okay:devil:.
 
Yeah, there will be subtle differences in some cases but huge gaping differences in others. Its swings and roundabouts really.

For instance, Khan is still floating around out there somewhere waiting to be found, whether it be by the Enterprise or not. V'Ger is also roaming the galaxy as is the whale probe. These things are so far removed from the time line changes that the only changing factors would be who and when it is found by. Theyre on their way, so however it plays out will be different, but they are there waiting to be found, as they were set on their course way before Nero and Spock fucked everything up.
 
(The scene: Starfleet Headquarters. SPOCK PRIME sits before the desk of ADMIRAL HEIHACHIRO NOGURA or whomever. On the desk itself is a GIGANTIC PILE OF DATAPADS, because Starfleet doesn't use email.)

SPOCK (indicating the pile): ...and so, Admiral, I believe Starfleet can save billions of lives over the next thirteen decades, should even a fraction of the information I've provided remain accurate.

NOGURA: Er. While I appreciate this, sir, you do realize it violates the Temporal Prime Directive?

SPOCK (raises eyebrow): Indeed? I thought it hadn't been created yet. Well, then, I suppose I shall have to resign my commission. (Does the Spock half-grin. THE END.)

I'd love to see that. :bolian:

I don't think he should say anything and that he should spend the remainder of his days helping to rebuild the new Vulcan colony. Though... I probably enjoy the mass hysteria that might ensue if he did spill the beans.

I dount they'd have a NASA/Brookings mentality. :rolleyes: I doubt there would be wide spread panic.
 
I would speculate that Spock would keep an eye on how events unfold in this new history and if he did intervene it would be for really serious problems that may crop up because of how things have been changed.

The idea of smoothing the way to allow for a completely different set of adventures has its appeal, I admit.

On the other hand, there is no denying the draw of reimagining how a classic story might be retold. For example, I would not have Khan picked up, match wits with Kirk for a while before trying to hijack the Enterprise. Instead, I would show him actually accomplishing one of his long term goals of building a new Empire for himself. In the new version of history, wouldn't it be interesting to see him as the figurehead of a new political force or ideological movement, with ships and a planet (or planets) answering to him, and the Federation having to play a dangerous political game with him?

I also have to give a nod to those who have pointed out that Spock has faith that the universe will unfold the way it's supposed to, even if that includes a disaster; you do the best with what you've got, earnestly. So, not too much cheating, if any. Notice that he didn't explore too deeply the circumstances regarding the Enterprise crew roster, and wasn't a stickler for adhering to specific Stardates. He finds out that Kirk and his younger selves roles are reversed. We don't even see him informed of important contextual details: Kirk is a cadet who is maybe close to graduating, yet he has been fortuitously place in the chain of command. We can see though by his interference that he is convinced that Kirk needs to replace his younger self as captain of a starship called Enterprise (he doesn't know the capabilities of the ship, how different it might be). Even if Kirk takes over, he has know way of knowing if his younger self will pull himself together and work with Kirk in the way he obviously hopes will happen. He really does have faith that the Enterprise under the command of James Kirk will make sure that what needs to happen with Nero will happen. He does cheat, though, because without it Kirk would have been eaten, and the Earth would likely have been destroyed while Enterprise tried to coordinate with the fleet. I wonder how he will react when he realizes that he's helped Kirk become captain of the Enterprise 6 to 8 years before he did in the original version of history.

One final thing in this rambling post, insofar as what I think Spock will be up to. Spock is, among other things, a scientist. At the very least, he can track the development of this new history, and compile a side-by-side comparison with the history he remembers. I imagine this would be a private, ongoing project. From a scientific standpoint, the "Prime" universe can be regarded as a control, and the new history as a "test" or "experimental" history. The side-by-side comparison is scientific data, from which one could formulate theories; and Spock could very well pioneer new thinking about time and time travel theories. Exactly when to make the data available for release safely is something of an ethical concern, but he might be reasonably safe with having it open for public scrutiny around the corresponding year that he and Nero would have left The Next Generation timeframe.

His observations of how the two histories differ might give supporting evidence for the Butterfly Effect, the elasticity of history's "shape", and if there seems to be a corrective momentum in the way history unfolds.

I figure Spock will have much of interest to keep himself occupied, aside from efforts to help rebuild Vulcan society and culture, and dealing with how his presence and identity complicates his place in the new history.
 
Fun plot thingie for Star Trek XII: Prime Spock gives 'em tips on a few (very crucial) things, but the messed-up timeline bits (ones that Spock could not forsee, of course) mean that he accidentally causes them to blunder. Or would that plot be too obvious?
 
The Abramsverse novel The Hazards of Concealing by Greg Cox will deal with this very issue. Due in Summer 2010.
 
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The Abramsverse novel The Hazards of Concealing by Greg Cox will deal with this very issue. Due in Summer 2010.


Thanks for the plug!

FYI, the correct title is THE HAZARD OF CONCEALING, not Hazards. (That's a typo on that early peek at the cover.)
 
The Abramsverse novel The Hazards of Concealing by Greg Cox will deal with this very issue. Due in Summer 2010.


Thanks for the plug!

FYI, the correct title is THE HAZARD OF CONCEALING, not Hazards. (That's a typo on that early peek at the cover.)

Not sure why there isn't more discussion about the material being generated by this movie. Not like there is alot of filmed material to talk about...

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=111934

The thread from TrekLit discussing the forthcoming Abramsverse novels.
 
Spock has faith that the universe will unfold as it should. In other words, he's not going to fuck things up.
 
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