Not a Star Trek film? Do tell us why. I think it's one of, if not the the most Star Trek-y films in the series. Right up there with TWOK for my number one spot. What a glorious, epic sci-fi movie. I wish more Trek films could have been like this one.
I didn't say that. Some get stuck when I define certain flicks as either film or movie. TMP was definitely a film; a form of cinema which has more of the invitation of exploring ideas and an evaluation of the human condition. As I see the TOS, it was more of an action adventure piece, more in the vain of movies--you know-- popcorn flicks ala rollercoaster rides on celluloid.
Mostly agree with this. It's always been a great movie to me, I do think there's a lot more to it than just Montalbans terrific performance though, Kirks character arc in this is very satisfying, and despite the films age, it's still hugely exciting to watch.
I can add the great score done by James Horner and the little plot developments as well, but the movie is what it is, and most people gravitate on Montalban's performance because it was just that brilliant.
TSFS - It's got it's faults - cheap looking sets and the ending kills the pacing of the movie, but I wouldn't call it terrible by any stretch. It has a lot to offer for me - stealing the enterprise is fantastic, as was the destruction, Kruge was a solid villain, great score and some good visuals too. I've never classed this as a bad one.
It's a very disappointing follow up to TWOK, none of the character development from the previous was explored in that movie. Saavik, miscast IMO, was now just a female Spock losing all of the layers of personality I loved from Kirstie Alley, David is now the sole creator of the Genesis project??? Kirk is now the person chatting about the significance of Genesis??? I'm well aware Bibi Besch did not allow her footage to be replayed without payment by SAG, but I thought the subplot that Genesis didn't work just for a plot device to get Spock out of the planet in the nick of time before it explodes was weak.
I don't believe David or Saavik would be transferred to another vessel so fast, and I just don't buy Saavik leaving the Enterprise; she was Spock's successor and TWOK made her earn that position and I bought it. She is a member of the Enterprise. I thought the Klingon Enterprise battle was dull and not well thought out, I also thought it was a huge disappointment for the characters to talk jibber jabber about the Excelsior and all the cool things it can do but when the moment it was time to see what this thing can really do... it really... didn't do... anything??? I don't give a shit about Scotty's sabotage, this is a major motion picture and selling fool's gold about a super ship and
don't show what it can do is not good storytelling and doesn't fulfill my expectations. Visual storytelling is to show, don't tell... something Nimoy learned and made a tremendous improvement in his later pictures like TVH and "3 Men and a Baby".
TSFS is a grasping at straws movie which never had any ideas nor be entertaining for me. It's a great disappointment; I had a similar bad taste in my mouth watching "The Matrix Reloaded" the follow up to "The Matrix".
TVH is an entertaining movie for sure, but I would never put it at or near the top of my list of best trek movies personally, it's just too goofy and hasn't aged particularly well. Middle of the pack with 3 and 6. TFF has very little to recommend it outside the interactions between the cast and score. A shoddy production all round and by far the worst Trek movie in my opinion.
I don't know when you born, but I'm guessing you were around when these movies were in cinema screens at the moment. I was born in the mid 90's and for me TVH was and felt more like TOS in tone, fun, and adventure, it reminded me of episodes like "Shore Leave", and "Tomorrow is Yesterday" moments where the situation is critical but have time to relieve the tension of the situation. TVH for me is the best Star Trek movie because it gambles on those traits and it works in spades.
TUC - This is a funny one. When it was released I thought it was up there with TWOK. Bar the still decent visuals, time hasn't been kind to this and it's slipped down my ratings somewhat. I still like it a lot but the flaws are so much more apparent these days. It's still a pretty slick looking production compared to some of the other entries, and does entertain still.
The movie only works because it has to. I'm positive that movie would be looked upon as TFF part 2 if Meyer used the same SFX co. who did TFF. Nicholas Meyer has never been a strong visual storyteller, just take a glance at his resume; it's weird too because TWOK was such a good movie. Looking at his work after Khan I thought his movies were a visual decline, falling in love with a lot of master shots and treating his movies like theatrical plays. BOOOORING.
TUC was a culmination of his decline as a director; I bet when he was asked to do it he was gunning for the chance to be relevant, but I do like it and the Scooby Doo type, Saturday Morning mystery helped the cast finally have something do and it was the last movie for them, so there's some justice to the movie's clunky tale. I still feel with Nimoy's vision that Kirk should've been sentenced to live his natural life on a Klingon planet, living and eating with the race he hates and learns these people are people and not the monsters he thought they were and there should've been a cataclysmic shift between the Klingons and the Federation as the crisis unfolds. The movie doesn't understand the magnitude of the situation and simply solves it in a matter of days instead of years. It's weak. It's weak.
If Generations had ditched the Nexus for something less problematic story-wise it would be an excellent movie - I also think it's aged better than any of the other TNG entries. FC is starting to look really corny and dated (but still very entertaining), Insurrection is just poor across the board, and Nemesis is actually one of my personal favourites, despite it's glaring flaws.
Yes, Generations would've been a lot better if it didn't spend so much time sh*tting all over a well, beloved character, and a cinematic and television icon. Viacom made the mistake by not having a movie production team handle the projects than a television production team... which was also full of brim of handling two major TV productions (DS9 & Voy) and involving in most of the outside amusement park projects which was attached with Rick Berman Productions at the time. It's not surprising Rick Berman's films, TV, and other projects felt the same and appeared quite thin.
